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Fine AP or x/c? Fine AP or x/c?

03-16-2016 , 10:24 PM
partypoker - $0.04 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 149.25 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
SB: 108.75 BB (VPIP: 24.86, PFR: 15.36, 3Bet Preflop: 3.73, Hands: 5,248)
BB: 261 BB (VPIP: 33.86, PFR: 7.53, 3Bet Preflop: 1.45, Hands: 705)
Hero (UTG): 191.75 BB
MP: 145.5 BB (VPIP: 21.03, PFR: 12.15, 3Bet Preflop: 4.31, Hands: 7,961)
CO: 255 BB (VPIP: 9.16, PFR: 2.93, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 277)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 9

Hero raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (10.5 BB, 3 players) T 8 7
Hero bets 6.5 BB, fold, BTN calls 6.5 BB

Turn: (23.5 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 13.5 BB, BTN calls 13.5 BB

River: (50.5 BB, 2 players) T
Hero checks, BTN bets 24 BB, Hero calls 24 BB
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03-16-2016 , 11:06 PM
check flop

check turn

fold river
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03-17-2016 , 12:44 AM
Your hand has close 50% equity on the flop vs 15% and 30% ranges (both having around 25% equity) and needs protection (9 high). If you get raised enough, it should not be a mistake to fold as even his flush draw has enough. But if you get pot/implied odds to the like 7 outer, then one calls the raise.

Checking a top pair, other than AT perhaps (the best top pair and isn't worried about TT overpair), could be a standard play. AT can call a reasonable raise and fold on the turn. There are more or less overpairs in one's c-bet range, and sets, maybe 2 pairs, and flush draws.

One has enough strong hands, so one can c-bet here. Though there is another thing one needs to consider, and that is if the opponents have enough pay off hands to cover the risk of betting for value and protection. They don't as they can have about only SC (including top pairs) or a set, additionally to some flush draws that often have more than just that.

The flop is medium coordinated and suited, that is a worry even heads up. Here one is first to act 3 ways. One could check and see it getting bet and raised, saving money.

But one has 99 blockers and close 50% equity with a pair that needs protection. So, I would c-bet this.

On the turn, I have missed and I have no flush draw, just mainly a straight draw and I should check according to ABC poker, and up to fold to a bet, but with the 99 and 6-8 outer draw, one calls a reasonable bet (like half a pot). But it is not enough to defend the range on the river, just that one could make that river call against players that might be bluffing, because the top pair paired and one can beat 87 (though he unlikely is betting it). He can have a ton of worse hands and the double ten decrease the possibility you have a ten as range and overall as you didn't bet.

Technically, AA-JJ (and any top pair you opt to flop bet and river check) should cover enough to make this call (you bet flop and turn so you have them in your range until you check some or all of them on the flop or turn). You probably bet the flush draw if you hit it, and check the overpairs after the top pair paired (and the backdoor flush draw got there). AA-QQ could possibly bet the river but it is looking too bad (JJ, 8 maybe calling) and one can induce bluffs, also when the top pair pairs (he is like 30% preflop, could have more tens, but still a call is possible).

On the turn, one is against a possible call station, in case it is not a popular line to keep betting, though not that it is necessarily true one should not as one is OOP, no free card sure, but check call is the default line against him, even if wrong. One could just bet against some aggro as one is possibly calling anyway and he might fold to another bet (he was the last man standing on the flop), and one can set the price, though not necessary as he could have a float only.

But the top pair pairing against a possibly weak player (and just maybe not too many XTo possible), flush draw missing, I don't see a mistake in calling the river half pot bet here, no matter what one did on the turn.

I would bet flop, check turn (and maybe call), call/fold river.
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03-17-2016 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Clanty
check flop

check turn

fold river
Do you mean x/c both flop and turn and fold river?
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03-17-2016 , 11:19 AM
I'd bet Flop, x/c turn and x/c a small riverbet.

I'm x/c turn because I don't want to get raised there.
Calling small river cause V might be drawing and him having T is bit more unlikely now.
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03-17-2016 , 11:29 AM
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03-17-2016 , 04:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DonkLess
I'd bet Flop, x/c turn and x/c a small riverbet.

I'm x/c turn because I don't want to get raised there.
Calling small river cause V might be drawing and him having T is bit more unlikely now.
+1 we also have 99 which block some combos of his Tx. Back door hearts is a bit of a concern if villian as some kind of straight draw with back door hearts.
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03-17-2016 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Purrfekt
Do you mean x/c both flop and turn and fold river?
xc flop and xc turn if V bets flop. If he doesn't, vbet turn.

Betting flop is a mistake.
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03-17-2016 , 05:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Clanty
xc flop and xc turn if V bets flop. If he doesn't, vbet turn.

Betting flop is a mistake.
Do u not think heroes hand needs protection ? I think I can get on board
With both really checking and betting. Would just like to know your thoughts on why checking flop isn't a mistake but betting is
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03-17-2016 , 06:33 PM
You only really protect against his 24% with bare overs, many of which can float and bluff effectively later anyway. Imo protection is usually only a small consideration compared to others. Compare what protection you get vs. how much it sucks to get raised here where you have to fold significant equity.

It's a pretty good hand to x/c with.
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