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04-29-2014 , 09:11 PM
Hi, I'm usually a fr player and I just wanted to check if all these plays were standard/optimal at 6max


Villain is 27/20 with a 7.9% 3bet . It's a small sample but he's from Belarus so he's obviously a reg.

Is c/c the flop fine or do you think raising is better? And was the river bet too thin? I thought because both FDs missed that we could get hero called by AA/KJ

It's a £ table fwiw

    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #26360761

    BTN: $36.59 (146.4 bb)
    SB: $44.19 (176.8 bb)
    BB: $20.16 (80.6 bb)
    UTG: $30.22 (120.9 bb)
    MP: $25 (100 bb)
    Hero (CO): $48.67 (194.7 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q K
    2 folds, Hero raises to $0.62, BTN raises to $2.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.68

    Flop: ($4.95) Q K 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $3.10, Hero calls $3.10

    Turn: ($11.15) 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN checks

    River: ($11.15) J (2 players)
    Hero bets $8.30, BTN folds




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    villain is completely unknown reg and it's another £25nl table

    Just a standard preflop spot vs 4bet. Do you think calling this sizing oop is fine or do you think just letting it go is the best play? I would assume against a relatively unknown reg shoving would be suicidal. And fwiw are you definitely 3betting pre or do you prefer flatting?



      Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #26360751

      MP: $34.41 (137.6 bb)
      CO: $14.39 (57.6 bb)
      BTN: $25.59 (102.4 bb)
      Hero (SB): $29.17 (116.7 bb)
      BB: $25.97 (103.9 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with K Q
      2 folds, BTN raises to $0.75, Hero raises to $2, BB folds, BTN raises to $5, Hero calls $3.00





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      villain is a reg 18/18 with a 12.5% 3bet over 29hands

      I'm sure pre and flop play in this hand is super standard. But i'm not sure about the turn check/shove because surely we fold out everything worse (except maybe QJ, but I'm not sure if that even 3bets pre. Very much doubt Q9/QT do.) and we get snapped off by anything better?



        Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 4 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #26360741

        Hero (SB): $25.10 (100.4 bb)
        BB: $25 (100 bb)
        CO: $27.92 (111.7 bb)
        BTN: $17.90 (71.6 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with Q K
        2 folds, Hero raises to $0.62, BB raises to $2, Hero calls $1.38

        Flop: ($4) Q 6 8 (2 players)
        Hero checks, BB bets $2.86, Hero calls $2.86

        Turn: ($9.72) Q (2 players)
        Hero checks, BB bets $6.50, Hero raises to $20.24,




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        Euro game, villain is reg running 29/19 with a 6.4% 3bet and a 14% flop raise over 129 hands

        Once again, I'm sure pre and flop is all very standard but I was just wondering what you thought of the turn min raise? I did this because I doubt he'd ever fold a 10 and perhaps he can call with a turned FD/89 and maybe even KK+ but at the same time if i take the c/c line and c the river he can jam all of his missed draws as wel as his Tx hands on blank rivers.


        Also, I showed the results because I was just wondering if his initial flop raise is standard? At fullring I'm sure the much more common thing to do in that spot would be to call to keep all of my bluffs in the pot.



          Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #26360731

          BTN: $34.26 (137 bb)
          SB: $39.45 (157.8 bb)
          BB: $25 (100 bb)
          UTG: $35.47 (141.9 bb)
          MP: $50.74 (203 bb)
          Hero (CO): $25 (100 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is CO with Q Q
          2 folds, Hero raises to $0.62, BTN calls $0.62, 2 folds

          Flop: ($1.59) T T 7 (2 players)
          Hero bets $1.01, BTN raises to $3.25, Hero calls $2.24

          Turn: ($8.09) Q (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN bets $3.75, Hero raises to $7.50, BTN calls $3.75

          River: ($23.09) K (2 players)
          Hero bets $13.63 and is all-in, BTN calls $13.63

          Results: $50.35 pot ($1.50 rake)
          Final Board: T T 7 Q K
          BTN showed T Q and lost (-$25 net)
          Hero showed Q Q and won $48.85 ($23.85 net)



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          04-29-2014 , 09:12 PM
          Yeah, **** you for posting more than 2 hands per post.

          Reported!
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          04-29-2014 , 09:14 PM
          Lol, just kidding. Just getting rid of my steam about Russian ****holes who report everything nowadays.
          Or so it seems.
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          04-29-2014 , 09:57 PM
          Hand 1: Is that his standard 3bet size? Prefer c/r because he probably won't double barrel blanks and we lose action against AK/AA when a scare card peels. Our value c/r range is also pretty thin and there are tons of combo draws we can have which makes it enticing for him to bluff catch.

          As for the river it's probably too thin against a good player since he doesn't have AK and he probably checks back Qx on the flop and he probably goes for thin value with KJ and QJ anyway and sometimes bluff raises with air since we don't have many Tx in our range.
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          04-30-2014 , 03:42 AM
          H1: raise flop
          H2: call pre or fold to 4bet
          H3: wp
          H4: wp
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          04-30-2014 , 07:22 AM
          Hand 3 and 4 look ***** horrible. Aids like bad. 1 n 2 ok pf sizing little strange.

          To the guy wanting to be agro on hand 1 gl on future turn rivers where you're capped at 1 pair trying to hero call. Raising flop hand 1 ***** awful unless it's a whale and range doesn't matter.
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          04-30-2014 , 07:44 AM
          Hand1: WP
          Hand2: 3bet bigger to 2.50-2.75 and don't call 4bet with just 29 hands on him.
          Hand3: 3bet a bit bigger, flop is fine both as a bet or x/c, as played x/c turn and snap pretty much any river.
          Hand4: Turn x/r is terrible and get folds from all his bluffs and weaker parts of value range (they might sometimes b/c turn but will fold to river shove). You just got lucky he had a monster too, x/c turn is much better for your whole range.
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          04-30-2014 , 08:42 AM
          Agree with cardbrute pretty much.

          H1: Fine, maybe go smaller otr.

          H2: Bigger pre and calling the 4bet is fine. It might be recommended to take a lower variance line though with limited info, seeing as lots of players at this limit aren't defending 3bets anywhere near as wide as they should be in these positions.

          H3: x/c turn, x/c river.

          H4: x/c turn, x/c river for the reasons you gave. As far as villain's flop play goes you will see a lot of players raise Tx there. I prefer to flat it in his shoes to keep our opponent's range wide as you said.
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          04-30-2014 , 11:11 AM
          In hand 1, why is it bad to raise flop?
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          04-30-2014 , 11:50 AM
          Quote:
          Originally Posted by cardbrute
          To the guy wanting to be agro on hand 1 gl on future turn rivers where you're capped at 1 pair trying to hero call. Raising flop hand 1 ***** awful unless it's a whale and range doesn't matter.
          Thanks for pointing out the problem with the scare cards. My argument to that would be...

          Doesn't check/calling guarantee V gets to see a turn and most of the time river that he can choose to bluff if he wants to anyway, whereas c/r gets value from the AK/AA portion of V's range(assuming he calls a raise with those) while also charging his draws and also doesn't allow him to see free rivers when a blank rolls off on the turn?
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