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Originally Posted by wmermus
thanks for this.
what's your thinking about flat calling with KK expecting/inducing a squeeze with the idea of shoving to a 4bet? what conditions are right? how often does it happen?
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Originally Posted by wmermus
at some tables people just never stop 3betting/squeezing. I find this play super profitable if you are prepared to release your KK in a MW pot that had not been 3bet with a dangerous board
An interesting question is when you 4bet or smooth call..... 4betting is transperant for a good player, calling is harder to play, especially, OOP what's your view?
As someone correctly noted upthread, this thread works as a general guide for playing overpairs. With that in mind, I'm illustrating with an AA hand from yesterday.
EP raiser is a pretty fearsome reg. He is a 2+2 er who plays 17/15, and is a much better player than I am. I would probably flat him anyway, because he has a high fold to 3 bet, won't stack off reliably with KK as an overpair anyway, is quite capable of reading my hand and tendencies, and it is just really, really bad luck for me to be dealt AA against him, because I am destined to win a small pot or lose a big one.
The button is hyper aggro in terms of 3 betting. In a 58 hand sample, he is playing 24/16/3.1, with a 7.1% 3 bet. His 3 bet from the button is 50%. Guy thought he owned the table, imo.
I was very confident that he would 3 bet, as he had done so in this exact situation.
Full Tilt Poker $100.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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UTG: $203.90
UTG+1: $100.00
UTG+2: $116.95
MP1: $93.00
MP2: $200.00
Hero (CO): $209.10
BTN: $169.80
SB: $247.35
BB: $134.65
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with A
A
1 fold,
UTG+1 raises to $3.50,
3 folds, Hero calls $3.50,
BTN raises to $10,
3 folds,
Hero raises to $30, BTN calls $20
The one thing you have to realize when you make this play is that there is no bad outcome. If he folds to your 4 bet, you win an above average size pot, and avoid having to play the hand out of position. If he calls, the stack to pot ratio is absurdly low, and you only need two streets to get stacks in.
Flop: ($65.00) 2
6
6
(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks
This flop is almost too good. It is so ridiculously safe that I decided to try and represent whiffed AK, or somebody who tried a fancy play and got burned by his preflop call.
Turn: ($65.00) 5
(2 players)
Hero bets $35.00, BTN calls $35
Meh, time to start building a pot. This was the smallest bet I could make that would set up a reasonably sized river shove. I actually tanked a bit while doing the math figuring out the smallest bet size I could make.
River: ($135.00) J
(2 players)
Hero bets $135.00, BTN folds
His fold made me laugh, but maybe he soul read me with KK (lol, not)
Final Pot: $135.00
Hero wins $132.00
(Rake: $3.00)
Not the best example, and I was disappointed not to get his stack. But this hand turned out much better than if I had 3 bet the EP raiser. That induces a fold from the button, and probably a fold from EP, too, who, after all, folded to the squeeze.
I've been second guessing myself on the post flop play, so if anybody wants to criticize me on that, you won't get much of an argument.