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01-11-2011 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverwood
Good read. I really need to stop looking at my DB while playing. At the same time, I've set stop/loss, so how do you handle this? Before, I've been playing, thinking I'm down a couple of buy-in's, then when I look, I may be down 3 or 4.
glad you liked it. like i said, i just feel it and have an idea (i also get off sessions when i start getting pissy...which usually tends to correlate with being down a few BI, lol).
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01-11-2011 , 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Computerninja
What's the song you listen to on repeat?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNTxr2NJHa0


Solid post split, good points.
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01-11-2011 , 05:02 PM
awesome cotw split! thats my biggest leak right now, discipline. i have a long way to go on the knowledge side, but i'm working on the discipline 1st.
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01-11-2011 , 05:09 PM
very nice cotw sir.i like it.i like it a lot ) . will try to implement some of the things you said right away.thank you for taking the time to write such useful stuff.looking forward for more of this.
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01-11-2011 , 11:00 PM
Hey Split,

So, if we have questions about your COTW we can ask you, right?
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01-11-2011 , 11:25 PM
of course
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01-11-2011 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by *Split*
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Originally Posted by darlingm
Hey Split,

So, if we have questions about your COTW we can ask you, right?
of course
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Originally Posted by *Split*
If conditions change in your environment (your GF got pissy and is now yelling at you, the dog just peed on the floor, etc.) just monitor how much you think your execution is going to suffer and make a decision whether to continue the session or not.
Sweet. What can I do to lessen the probability of either of these occurring? Or, the dreaded combination of the two, of your wife now yelling at the dog who just peed on the floor?

In all seriousness, loved the post. Definitely been having trouble in this exact area, as I'm sure you know. I can vouch for talking out loud. I've actually been recording screen+audio through mic lately of my play, and I'm noticing... well, that I'm noticing more details that I would have missed if more on auto-pilot. Pretty sure no one else will see them, but knowing my thoughts are going on the record rather than just the hand history seems to be helping. Still had a "ah crap, he has AJ and the river J just gave him two pair to beat my AK, screw it I call {with 1:3 odds} anyway. damnit he did have AJ" on record from yesterday.

I've always noticed that I have an issue with what I consider reverse tilt. If I go on a winning streak, I sometimes start thinking I'm invincible and play badly giving some of it back. I've put in a rule that if I'm on a big winning streak, or win a gigantic hand, I play extra tight for a few minutes.
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01-11-2011 , 11:45 PM
1st.

Thanks for the new COTW. I think this branches into your planning and default line creation video as setting up the right enviroment with minimal distractions where we execute our moves aids us in sharp planning.
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01-12-2011 , 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by tcc1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNTxr2NJHa0


Solid post split, good points.
thank you

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Originally Posted by lau808
awesome cotw split! thats my biggest leak right now, discipline. i have a long way to go on the knowledge side, but i'm working on the discipline 1st.
it's so important to get better at it

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Originally Posted by bobby13
very nice cotw sir.i like it.i like it a lot ) . will try to implement some of the things you said right away.thank you for taking the time to write such useful stuff.looking forward for more of this.
glgl implementing it

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Originally Posted by darlingm
Sweet. What can I do to lessen the probability of either of these occurring? Or, the dreaded combination of the two, of your wife now yelling at the dog who just peed on the floor?

In all seriousness, loved the post. Definitely been having trouble in this exact area, as I'm sure you know. I can vouch for talking out loud. I've actually been recording screen+audio through mic lately of my play, and I'm noticing... well, that I'm noticing more details that I would have missed if more on auto-pilot. Pretty sure no one else will see them, but knowing my thoughts are going on the record rather than just the hand history seems to be helping. Still had a "ah crap, he has AJ and the river J just gave him two pair to beat my AK, screw it I call {with 1:3 odds} anyway. damnit he did have AJ" on record from yesterday.

I've always noticed that I have an issue with what I consider reverse tilt. If I go on a winning streak, I sometimes start thinking I'm invincible and play badly giving some of it back. I've put in a rule that if I'm on a big winning streak, or win a gigantic hand, I play extra tight for a few minutes.
yea, "winner's tilt" is always a pain to deal with. some ppl want to bookmark the win and walk away. others play a lil looser because they feel they are "freerolling" or w/e. just play as best you can, and get off when you feel your game starts shifting poorly

(and im glad to hear the talking out loud is helping =) )

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Originally Posted by JustinJude
1st.

Thanks for the new COTW. I think this branches into your planning and default line creation video as setting up the right enviroment with minimal distractions where we execute our moves aids us in sharp planning.
for sure. our brains can only process so many things at once...
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01-12-2011 , 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Riverwood
Good read. I really need to stop looking at my DB while playing. At the same time, I've set stop/loss, so how do you handle this? Before, I've been playing, thinking I'm down a couple of buy-in's, then when I look, I may be down 3 or 4.

You could try this, I'm gonna give it a try and see how it works.


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01-12-2011 , 07:17 AM
Great cotw.
I've been guilty of this for some time. I spend so much time on stategy, yet often find hands that I play directly contrary to concepts I know well. I'm going to start focusing more on this.
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01-12-2011 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Riverwood
Good read. I really need to stop looking at my DB while playing. At the same time, I've set stop/loss, so how do you handle this? Before, I've been playing, thinking I'm down a couple of buy-in's, then when I look, I may be down 3 or 4.
You can try this AHK script http://www.overcards.com/wiki/moin.c...ion=AttachFile. It's written by 2p2 user _dave_. Here's the relevant thread about it http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/16...55/index2.html

edit: If you've never used ahk scripts before this might be a pain in the ass to use though.

Last edited by Computerninja; 01-12-2011 at 06:00 PM.
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01-13-2011 , 06:16 AM
Thanks for this split.

I was in a nasty down swing and stuck in a major rut.

This COTW forced me to buck up, get back to the basics and stop paying off donks (I can’t even look at my database because I don’t want to know how many check-raises I called in the last week). Over the two days since I read this post I am up 8 buy-ins!

I had to stick my head out of lurker land to give credit where it’s due.
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01-13-2011 , 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by gutshot1984
Great cotw.
I've been guilty of this for some time. I spend so much time on stategy, yet often find hands that I play directly contrary to concepts I know well. I'm going to start focusing more on this.
glgl implementing it =)

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Originally Posted by gannet
Thanks for this split.

I was in a nasty down swing and stuck in a major rut.

This COTW forced me to buck up, get back to the basics and stop paying off donks (I can’t even look at my database because I don’t want to know how many check-raises I called in the last week). Over the two days since I read this post I am up 8 buy-ins!

I had to stick my head out of lurker land to give credit where it’s due.
i will take no credit at all...but good job getting back to solid play =) and welcome to 2p2
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01-13-2011 , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by darlingm
I've always noticed that I have an issue with what I consider reverse tilt. If I go on a winning streak, I sometimes start thinking I'm invincible and play badly giving some of it back. I've put in a rule that if I'm on a big winning streak, or win a gigantic hand, I play extra tight for a few minutes.
I definitely have used this method before.

However, if I've had a string of good sessions or a very profitable week I start feeling invincible for days at a time.

Your comment should help me realize this more so and play tighter.
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01-14-2011 , 09:11 AM
excellent cotw !!!
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01-14-2011 , 06:36 PM
when I talk out loud it tends to mean something bad is happening and I often hear from upstairs, "Your talking to yourslef again babe, might be time for a break". Unfortunately I have a very bad habit of playing too long.

Thanks Split, solid read.
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01-14-2011 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by lien
excellent cotw !!!
thanks =)

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Originally Posted by Byan_Railey
when I talk out loud it tends to mean something bad is happening and I often hear from upstairs, "Your talking to yourslef again babe, might be time for a break". Unfortunately I have a very bad habit of playing too long.

Thanks Split, solid read.
another thing to do is smile the entire session. a smile can trick your brain into not slipping to tilt...though it can be a really creepy look when you are running like hell and have this totally mangled and forced smile on your face, lol
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01-14-2011 , 07:36 PM
Very good read. TY Split but I just dont like the stoploss thing. It happens so often to me that i am down more than 2,5 BI because KK vs AA pre, SET vs SET, Flush K high vs A high etc. and if i know that i couldn´t quit that hand i just play.I dont know why should i leave session just because i am down few BI. If i am tilting it is different thing but if you feel well i dont know why to quit session.
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01-14-2011 , 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by William Wallace
Very good read. TY Split but I just dont like the stoploss thing. It happens so often to me that i am down more than 2,5 BI because KK vs AA pre, SET vs SET, Flush K high vs A high etc. and if i know that i couldn´t quit that hand i just play.I dont know why should i leave session just because i am down few BI. If i am tilting it is different thing but if you feel well i dont know why to quit session.
if you operate well like that, then by all means keep doing it =) most players tend to play worse when they know they are down, and thus quitting and restarting later usually works for them.

of course, if you are down 6BI but are still playing your Agame in a good game...don't quit...
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01-14-2011 , 08:01 PM
I quit my session sometimes but it is because i know i am idiot and i do moves that i hate. Then it is right decision i think. So your stoploss is about losing BI by tilting right? I had huge tilt problem. 1 year ago i started to play FR cash game and after 2 months i just went to play NL 1000 ( my roll was 1000 something) and i was pushing every hand all in. I lost Q5 vs AA and quit poker for half year. Then i started to build my roll again from nl 2 and that huge tilt leak really helped me to improve as a player so sometimes tilting is good.
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01-14-2011 , 09:19 PM
correct. and most ppl tend to have some tilt associated with being down dollars (whether it be tilt right then, or tilt when they start up a session the next day feeling like they have to grind for a week to get back to BE after losing 10BI)
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01-15-2011 , 04:28 AM
Great post, it's good to know how to play, but then you need to apply this knowledge and play in the right circomstances,
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01-15-2011 , 03:29 PM
Thank you for the great COTW. I have one question. How many tables are you able to play and still talk loud to yourself? I think its great idea, which i want to compose into my play. Thank you for answer. GL
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01-15-2011 , 03:32 PM
how can we simultaneously be non-results oriented AND have a stop loss? if one were perfectly non-results oriented (ie, did not tilt regardless of winnings or losings), what would be the point?
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