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Old 06-15-2009, 10:12 AM   #101
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Just thought I'd post in this thread to say that I enjoyed the video.

I learned a lot, I'll be thinking about applying these concepts more in the future, and more-fearlessly playing with the tools I have available now.

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glad you enjoyed it =) best of luck with the implementation
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Old 06-15-2009, 11:22 AM   #102
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Great video Split. Vnh
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Old 06-15-2009, 08:11 PM   #103
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Great video Split. Vnh
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Old 06-22-2009, 03:18 AM   #104
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Great video!
Not so original reply, everything has been said here
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Old 06-22-2009, 06:11 AM   #105
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Not so original reply, everything has been said here
thnk u =) glad ppl are still enjoyin this vid
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Old 06-23-2009, 01:13 PM   #106
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also...this is like a nice "next step" type program from StoxCombo

Flopzilla

its the program that JH1 used, and is very simple but with more continuance range settings (like overpairs and such)
Nice video!

I was just trying to figure out how to add a custom group for overpairs to Stox Combo when I saw the link to flopzilla and I would just like to comment on it's awesomeness.

It's awesome.
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Old 06-23-2009, 01:20 PM   #107
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i'll have to watch this video later
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Old 09-04-2009, 04:30 AM   #108
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Re: Concept of the Week #1: Equity Exploration

Stox Poker Combo gives me an error after install. Do you have the same problem???
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Old 09-06-2009, 06:41 PM   #109
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Stox Poker Combo gives me an error after install. Do you have the same problem???
use Flopzilla instead

http://www.stoxev.com/flopzilla/flopzilla.htm

more powerful, and easier program
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Old 11-09-2009, 08:40 PM   #110
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wow, i have never considered math guys to have that kind of an edege. the section on the dynamics and profititablity of 3 bettingan oppnents range rather than your cards is very interesting. Thank you OP great vid, i can tell you would be a kickass coach, easily one of the most educational vids out

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Old 11-10-2009, 05:13 AM   #111
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wow, i have never considered math guys to have that kind of an edege. the section on the dynamics and profititablity of 3 bettingan oppnents range rather than your cards is very interesting. Thank you OP great vid, i can tell you would be a kickass coach, easily one of the most educational vids out
no problem...and thank you for the compliments =)

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Old 11-26-2009, 02:46 AM   #112
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Hi I am a new user to two plus two. I have lurked now and then but got myself to make an account only now and thought I would start off by learning as much as I can and started with Concept of the week and yours was first!

My question to you guys is if one is multi-tabling, wouldn't it be really hard to do equity calcs and stuff and the kind of calculations u were doing in the vid, *Split*?

btw. a very informative video!! I really loved it. No wonder 2+2 is the best forum. Period!
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Old 11-26-2009, 08:21 AM   #113
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What a truly stunning video. I also had no real idea about the true edge math players have. This has given me the impetus to go and study my most feared villains HH and work out where i am against their 3bet/4bet cont ranges and get busy with outplaying them. This makes it an almost exact science once I figure their ranegs. I guess the key is to follow them up and adjust when they adjust.

excellent post, thankyou.
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Old 11-26-2009, 10:31 AM   #114
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Hi I am a new user to two plus two. I have lurked now and then but got myself to make an account only now and thought I would start off by learning as much as I can and started with Concept of the week and yours was first!

My question to you guys is if one is multi-tabling, wouldn't it be really hard to do equity calcs and stuff and the kind of calculations u were doing in the vid, *Split*?

btw. a very informative video!! I really loved it. No wonder 2+2 is the best forum. Period!
Thanks. It is pretty hard to do equity calcs off the head. but you can create little short cuts for yourself. For instance:

CO open steals and has an ATS of 50%. He also has a Fold to 3b of 80% over 10K hands

it folds to you in the BB and it is your option. Well just looking at some basic info we see that his O range is 50% of hands and his C range is roughly 20% of that. So we get a fold ~80% of the time, making a 3b with ATC profitable.

These kinds of shortcuts get easier as you go along, and you start thinking of every situation in terms of "k, his range looks like this now, if i do XYZ then his range will look like this...meaning it needs to work 70% of the time"

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What a truly stunning video. I also had no real idea about the true edge math players have. This has given me the impetus to go and study my most feared villains HH and work out where i am against their 3bet/4bet cont ranges and get busy with outplaying them. This makes it an almost exact science once I figure their ranegs. I guess the key is to follow them up and adjust when they adjust.

excellent post, thankyou.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it =) This really isnt hardcore math...in fact, the video is actually more focused on teaching a frame work to think about poker in. It might take some time to get used to it...but it will be more profitable down the line (and imo, more helpful in life framing as well)
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Old 12-17-2009, 06:12 AM   #115
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use Flopzilla instead

http://www.stoxev.com/flopzilla/flopzilla.htm

more powerful, and easier program
shipping 25 on FT to scylla76 safe/successful for people?
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Old 12-17-2009, 06:30 AM   #116
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I recently moved from 6 max to fr and the micro fr forum is so friggin awesome I cant actually believe it. Thanks alot Split is it much appreciated!
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Old 12-17-2009, 09:06 AM   #117
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This was great a great watch. So effing helpful and educational. You would make a great coach imo.

Thnx *Split*!
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Old 12-17-2009, 10:23 AM   #118
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shipping 25 on FT to scylla76 safe/successful for people?
i recently paid for it and got the code pretty damn quickly (within 10minutes i believe). no issues for me

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I recently moved from 6 max to fr and the micro fr forum is so friggin awesome I cant actually believe it. Thanks alot Split is it much appreciated!
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This was great a great watch. So effing helpful and educational. You would make a great coach imo.

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Old 12-18-2009, 04:10 AM   #119
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shipping 25 on FT to scylla76 safe/successful for people?
scylla76 is the shiznit! He has a 2+2 thread for flopzilla support. Not only did I have no problem with the financial transaction, he has always been very helpful with technical issues.

In general, the folks who do poker software (scylla, taranth for TableNinja, the PT3 team) are great about supporting this work.
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Old 12-21-2009, 12:34 PM   #120
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Split, how do you work this back into an actual game? Obviously you can't do the calcs on the fly. By doing the calculations, is the goal to sort of get a feel for the correct situations to shove or fold and be able to do it sort of by instinct?
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Split, how do you work this back into an actual game? Obviously you can't do the calcs on the fly. By doing the calculations, is the goal to sort of get a feel for the correct situations to shove or fold and be able to do it sort of by instinct?
more of a feel thing. i use my HUD to get a lot of these ideas (if i see they have an ATS of 30% and a fold23b of 80% then I estimate that they will fold around 80% time (making an outright 3b profitable)...and also estimate their exact ContR if they call (about 88+/AQ+))...but a lot of this has been internalized and i just understand range change in real-time

sorry if that wasnt the exact answer you were looking for =)
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more of a feel thing. i use my HUD to get a lot of these ideas (if i see they have an ATS of 30% and a fold23b of 80% then I estimate that they will fold around 80% time (making an outright 3b profitable)...and also estimate their exact ContR if they call (about 88+/AQ+))...but a lot of this has been internalized and i just understand range change in real-time

sorry if that wasnt the exact answer you were looking for =)
Actually, that's exactly what I was getting at. By doing these calculations over and over again, you start to internalize these situations and even be able to make some crude adjustments on the fly. I've compiled a bunch of hands and have started to work out several of these problems each day. Before, I would really just pull equity values out of my ass. Going back and working on them, I can see where I was really wrong with some of these numbers. Now when I am playing, I obviously won't know the exact BE point for any particular move, but I'll be a lot closer with my estimates.

(nothing like a good downswing to get me to start fixing leaks)
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Actually, that's exactly what I was getting at. By doing these calculations over and over again, you start to internalize these situations and even be able to make some crude adjustments on the fly. I've compiled a bunch of hands and have started to work out several of these problems each day. Before, I would really just pull equity values out of my ass. Going back and working on them, I can see where I was really wrong with some of these numbers. Now when I am playing, I obviously won't know the exact BE point for any particular move, but I'll be a lot closer with my estimates.

(nothing like a good downswing to get me to start fixing leaks)
kudos for doing the work sir =) you will get it...just takes time and practice
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Old 12-25-2009, 08:21 PM   #124
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Great work, Split. A quick question about the last example in the vid, though:

As far as I can tell, you are using StoxCombo to generate a call % based on a) an initial range and b) a continuation threshold (which in turn generates a continuation range). You then move the initial range over to Stove to figure out the equity when called.

But, when you move over to Stove, shouldn't you back out the hands that are not in the StoxCombo ContRange? For example, in the stove screen you have "KQs", which in theory includes KcQc (and thus the flush draw, which would be in your 72% continuation range) and KdQd/KhQh (overcards, outside of the range). But Stove is probably giving you an equity calculation with KcQc, KdQd, and KhQh (with the last two having much lower equities than KcQc with the flush draw). So overall the 32% equity is probably overstated for all of the "suited" combos that don't generate flush draws. Not sure if there are other similar issues...

Shorter version: the combos you use in Stove should match exactly the combos that constitute the ContRange from StoxCombo.

Am I missing something?
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Old 12-26-2009, 12:06 PM   #125
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Great work, Split. A quick question about the last example in the vid, though:

As far as I can tell, you are using StoxCombo to generate a call % based on a) an initial range and b) a continuation threshold (which in turn generates a continuation range). You then move the initial range over to Stove to figure out the equity when called.

But, when you move over to Stove, shouldn't you back out the hands that are not in the StoxCombo ContRange? For example, in the stove screen you have "KQs", which in theory includes KcQc (and thus the flush draw, which would be in your 72% continuation range) and KdQd/KhQh (overcards, outside of the range). But Stove is probably giving you an equity calculation with KcQc, KdQd, and KhQh (with the last two having much lower equities than KcQc with the flush draw). So overall the 32% equity is probably overstated for all of the "suited" combos that don't generate flush draws. Not sure if there are other similar issues...

Shorter version: the combos you use in Stove should match exactly the combos that constitute the ContRange from StoxCombo.

Am I missing something?
correct...assuming i messed that up in the video...my appologies. though given the fact that nobody has mentioned this yet you may just want to get through it again to make sure that I botched it. (i tried to watch it (the last few minutes of the vid) and didnt see it)
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