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09-17-2021 , 01:16 AM

Ceres

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PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 140.5 BB
SB: 457.5 BB
Hero (BB): 211 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 103 BB
CO: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.5 BB, fold, SB raises to 8.5 BB, Hero raises to 27 BB, fold, SB calls 18.5 BB

Flop: (56.5 BB, 2 players) 9

SB checks, Hero bets 18 BB, SB calls 18 BB

Turn: (92.5 BB, 2 players) 2

SB checks, Hero checks

River: (92.5 BB, 2 players) 3

SB checks, Hero has no idea

Out of my depth here. I *think* this is usually a 4bet. I *think* this is usually a cbet. And I *think* I probably should've continued firing turn with our only GS.

River, meh, probably can't do anything by then.

Thoughts?

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09-17-2021 , 01:18 AM

Ceres

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In retrospect, the title is misleading.

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09-17-2021 , 01:47 AM

Renekton

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Preflop is too big. Cold 4bets should be on fthe smaller side. I'd go with 20bb.
SB should be playing raise/fold vs your 4bet size, so I'm going to analyze the hand as if you 4 bet smaller.
Triple barreling this hand is fine. Has a draw on flop and turn and you gotta bluff with something.

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Last edited by Renekton; 09-17-2021 at 01:53 AM.

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09-17-2021 , 02:11 AM

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HaxBallin'

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yeh, turn is a must bet and very frequent river follow-through, imo.

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09-17-2021 , 02:12 AM

2019fish2019

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Originally Posted by Renekton

did you notice they are 200bb deep? hero does have position though

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09-17-2021 , 02:51 AM

threatD

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Originally Posted by Renekton

20bb is stupidly small even 100bb deep.

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09-17-2021 , 11:28 AM

Renekton

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Originally Posted by 2019fish2019

did you notice they are 200bb deep? hero does have position though

Yeah I know. I think it will make the cold 4b size a little bigger but not to 27bb. If someone points me to a sim for this situation at 200bb, that would be much appreciated.

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09-17-2021 , 10:17 PM

Ceres

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Idk. My logic was we're still potentially OOP if CO calls so I'd rather they just jam or fold. I think we'd all like to see those deep charts

Sim time...

And.. it seems pio agrees. Usually barrel turn then give up river. We can bet a sliver of our KQs after turn checks through but I'd never expect to get that through at 2nlz expecting folds from a tight range

For triples solver chooses Ax hands > KQ, presumably because that maximises blocking AJs.

Dude had KK, fwiw. Reasonable

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09-17-2021 , 10:30 PM

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HaxBallin'

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about to expose my non-existant pio knowledge but can/did you run the sim for this stack depth? i would've guessed K and Q blockers become more valuable than an A this deep.

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09-18-2021 , 01:54 AM

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Ceres

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Yeah, as played, though how accurate my SB range is of course a somewhat random variable

SB should fold most Ax (AK, AQ) to our turn barrel, so we're trying to unblock KJ/QJ/QQ by the river - is my interpretation

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09-18-2021 , 02:33 AM

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HaxBallin'

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i'm surprised AK is mostly folding the turn. how often is villain supposed to have KJ and QJ pre? and yeh, which way villain goes otr with QQ could be pretty pivotal for hero's strategy here.

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09-18-2021 , 01:43 PM

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submersible

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Originally Posted by Ceres

would bet again at some point if you cant beat ace high and you use a sizing ace high is going to peel on the flop

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09-18-2021 , 09:28 PM

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Ramius

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Originally Posted by submersible

would bet again at some point if you cant beat ace high and you use a sizing ace high is going to peel on the flop

Is villain really calling flop with aqhh or ajss for example, is he evem calling aqo pre, so we can even give him those 1 club ace hi's? Is villain supposed to call our 4bet oop with tens?

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