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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO (101BBs)
BTN (104BBs) [VPIP: 22.2% | PFR: 11.1% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 9]
SB (184.4BBs) [VPIP: 44.4% | PFR: 11.1% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 9]
BB (106.3BBs) [VPIP: 33.3% | PFR: 33.3% | AGG: 75% | Hands: 9]
HJ (184BBs) [VPIP: 11.1% | PFR: 11.1% | AGG: 33.3% | Flop Agg: 0% | Turn Agg: 0% | River Agg: 100% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Hands: 9]

Dealt to Hero: 5 6

HJ Raises To 2BBs, HERO Raises To 7BBs, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Folds, HJ Calls 5BBs

Hero SPR on Flop: [6.1 effective]
Flop (15.4BBs): 5 J Q
HJ Checks, HERO Bets 4.8BBs (Rem. Stack: 89.2BBs), HJ Calls 4.8BBs (Rem. Stack: 172.2BBs)

Turn (25BBs): 5 J Q 7
HJ Checks, HERO Checks

River (25BBs): 5 J Q 7 Q
HJ Bets 7.9BBs (Rem. Stack: 164.3BBs)

When it feels close between call/fold, to me that means I should really consider raising

I can't think of any river raises with good blockers here so using a neutral hand like this seems fine. Doesn't feel great being OOP here when you get raised holding AJ

Something like 30bb is probably the best risk:reward ratio

I think blocking 55 has some merit

Looks like the solver is mostly using A5s. Assuming because it blocks 55 and AQ/AJ

I don't think either of you will ever have 55. But if I had 55 OTR as HJ I think it's horrible as a small bet because it block the check back range and Jx can reopen if you check

Well I never have 55 here, but HJ can definitely have it.

This is HJ Call3Bet v CO

Preflop is quite wide.
I would keep betting turn.

I don't think we can fold so also not sure we need to overcook the bluffs with sdv?

I can see why we're considering it I'm just not sure it's necessary to get the most EV. It seems like if we always raise 5x we are going to be getting burnt sometimes and , yeah, why did I just expect a fish to bet/fold TT?

I like this plan better. Sometimes it's even for value when river goes x/x

I would fold this river unless ur expecting AK, KT and K9 to bluff more often than KJ AJ to bet.

Fold pre, but ap we block part of his folding range in 5x and 66. I doubt he is folding Jx and certainly not Qx so we're targeting TT and under, we can raise small to target those hands.

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It's a double barrel for me, x back river.

I'd raise as a default. If he calls you with less than Qx then we need to start doing it wider for value.

It's interesting that some people are barreling turn here as a solver never does it. HJ should over xr turn (non all in) on board textures like this.

nevermind, misread.

I can’t think of a good reason for betting the turn.

I’d rather fold/raise the river. I don’t think calling is a good option.

If IRL villain has a reduced x/r turn range that's an argument for barreling isn't it?

Way I understand it - going polar pre puts these lower merged BCs in a weird position (gto not super helpful given IRL OOP calling range is huge -like 4x or whatever- and some noding required to nail down turn range beyond, imo, 'WIDE'). We have SDV but it's vulnerable and we can still fold out worse, and given drawy texture and worse hands that will call/call/fold slightly overbarreling turn with these low EV hands that fluke SDV makes sense i think.

But that's before we get to the river. if the argument is: oop will always over stab giving us hyper EV raise with x-floats/ATC then ok that could make Xing superior. But there are so many bad rivers to play the 'how elastic is their bet/call range' guessing game on too. (i.e. any //non-pair broadway; > half the deck), so i think there's some urgency/value to max FE earlier while we could still handle a x/call and a) still be ahead, b) fold out some better PPs/equity, and c) bet/fold a low EV combo without great loss if they do find the uber-nutted x/r.

Yeah I'm

They don't have a reduced XR range OTT. My data show's percentages line up with GTO in general. This might be because they under XR flops but I don't know for sure.

You need at least one very good reason and more likely multiple reasons to deviate from a solver as a default. There is no reason to do it here.

gtow HJ calling range here is nothing like pool though:



I have (let's assume HJ fishier end of spectrum) pool calling something more akin to 30-40% (!). Reason to deviate being a solver would diviate given a wider more realistic range with more FE on turn

If they are wider preflop you check back turn more with SDV not increase barreling frequencies.

Is that true for weak SDV though? doesn't vulnerable hand vs wide range = more incentive to blast?

Go run a sim with your realistic preflop range in a solver and you will see 65hh not betting turn. You have to remember you have more outs as well, so you would rather bet a hand like 66 and check back 65hh even though 66 has higher absolute value.

On top of that, once you take into account the river node and how much better we get to play it vs our opponent, turn is always a check back.

If we get to the turn with non SDV now we are more incentivized to double barrel since they are too wide.

Not betting turn but certainly barreling more (10%) than vs a tighter gto range. So I'm not sure what you said about wider ranges always = less barreling is true.

Solver barrels all kinds of non-intuitive combos like A9s, A4s, A3s and PPs 99 and below so unless we're already maxing that already high ratio I can't see using this combo is necessarily bad/overkill. And given imo realistic assumptions about V's flop calling range (way too many PPs, way too many backdoors/A high etc), I think its safe to assume a locked solver would go even further and probably range bet given a lot of those hands have good outs vs our weaker BCs

(granted if we smash rivers w/e, but again i think that's a big assumption on a fluid texture)

I never said wider ranges always = less barreling.

I said if they are wider preflop you check back more SDV not increase barreling frequencies with said SDV.

When you study MDA and realize how much better we play vs both the XC-X-B node and XC-X-X node, it will help you understand why turn is always a check with 65hh.

To be clear, it's not some bad play to barrel turn. It's still EV+, it's just lower EV than checking.

Poker is about concepts. Understanding why we X back 65hh but bet 76hh OTT is a fundamental concept that will help you understand similar spots. Hand histories themselves are less important than the underlying concept they convey.

A big problem with betting the turn is that anyone who calls too many 3b (close to everyone at 25NL and micros) is going to hit this board way more often than they're supposed to, so they're going to have all of this extra Q9/QT/KQ/QJ/T9/AQ/AT/AJ plus whatever other FD that they aren't supposed to have, so you're basically lighting money on fire. You can't really bet as often as usual. It's similar to how you can't cbet as often on boards that are supposed to be donked at a high %.

Not really. Overcalling = more junk too. it's the relative difference between the two that allows us to attack not frequency itself

Here is my micro pool CO call BU 3b on the left (not the same I know but close enough for this):



On the right is our turn barrel range. Nothing locked. I think we can argue they might overcall their Jx but they still have a ton of x/folds they should've folded on the flop. But ultimately we have a big range advantage on this board/runout and should be attacking it very often.