i suck at mid stakes nl poker

i play against these guys (defined as basically almost everyone < 18 vpip and playing 8+ tables) who chk down KQ on King high boards and basically never put money into the pot unless there is more than an 80-90% chance that they have the best hand and are obviously super passive

than at the same time

i will play tight as hell for an hour and a half and try to bluff someone and they will look me on boards where everything got there such as

I call in BB with J9s

lead every street for a pot size bet on

8h Th 3c 9d 2h

and they call with an over pair

its kind of like

are they actually smart and somehow putting me on a 3 street semi-bluff or are they just complete stations? these guys are obviously all over my tables - is it at all possible to bluff them out of a hand?

kkf,

dont bluff ******s.

You will burn through a lot of money trying to move people off of AA.

lol yeah, these 18/4 guys are impossible to read, a have a whole bunch of hh where i sit down, have zero hands with the guy, play tag, and he suddenly c/c me down with 4th pair for stacks, after thinking like forever on his river decision. thats something i noticed, they go insta c/c on flop and turn, and then somehow the river gets interesting for them..

like , does he bluff, or doesnt he bluff??? hmm 50% chance he bluffs he iehter does it or he doesnt, lemme check the pot odds, ah its a 3/4 pot bet, i call, pot odds! and then theyr somehow around forever on the same limit, proving online poker isnt dead.

agreed, dont try to make people fold overpairs especially when you consider them to be stations

just value bet well and you'll be fine.