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08-09-2022 , 11:26 AM
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villain is 25/21/7.5 not very aggressive 3bettor from BB on ca 1k hands, in my notes i have a remark that he likes herocalling my river overbets

PokerStars, Hold'em No Limit - $0.10/$0.25 - 5 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $20.32 (81 bb)
CO: $25.00 (100 bb)
BU: $25.00 (100 bb)
SB (Hero): $27.88 (112 bb)
BB: $25.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with 4♣ A♠
3 players fold, Hero raises to $0.70, BB calls $0.45

Flop: ($1.40) 3♥ 8♠ 3♣ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.67, BB calls $0.67

Turn: ($2.74) 2♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $1.97, BB calls $1.97

River: ($6.68) K♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $3.19
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08-09-2022 , 12:21 PM
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What class of hands wants to use this sizing scheme?
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08-09-2022 , 12:40 PM
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I think sizing's are off.

You can just range X flop but if you want to bet small at a low frequency that's okay too. You'd go 1/3 OTF. Turn is either small or OB. Not really using 2/3 ever.

Mostly X this hand OTT without a heart.

River sizing is mostly just going to be 1/3 because we still want to bet 99-QQ and strong 8x.

These triple barrels from SB are over bluffed. It all depends on what level your opponent is on as to whether or not this works.
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08-09-2022 , 12:55 PM
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With flop half pot i want to fold beter aces, but yeah, check makes sense, iirc i decided to bet couse villain is known stabber, and i m too weak for a cr or cc, turn i thnik all sizes make sense, dont think 2/3 or 3/4 are particularly bad, on river i was targetting 8x and under pp
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08-09-2022 , 12:58 PM
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Not sure why you're betting the turn - he's not folding better hands and you fold out his worse hands. If you think he floats the flop extremely wide just check/call the turn.
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08-09-2022 , 01:09 PM
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With flop half pot i want to fold beter aces, but yeah, check makes sense, iirc i decided to bet couse villain is known stabber, and i m too weak for a cr or cc, turn i thnik all sizes make sense, dont think 2/3 or 3/4 are particularly bad, on river i was targetting 8x and under pp
If BB over stabs (population does) then just xr flop for small like 3x sizing. They over fold by 46% vs 41% in that line.

They also over fold in the BC-F line so a barrel OTT will make you money even if they call flop.
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08-09-2022 , 01:19 PM
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If BB over stabs (population does) then just xr flop for small like 3x sizing. They over fold by 46% vs 41% in that line.

They also over fold in the BC-F line so a barrel OTT will make you money even if they call flop.
I play for long, but never was doing any population tendencies analysis, but people overstabbing is my experiance too, so maybe there is value in cr ankwardly weak hands
So in short whole hand is a spew?
btw, if you have pp under 8 or 8x, do you bet turn small and any weak overpair is overbet?
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08-09-2022 , 01:49 PM
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I play for long, but never was doing any population tendencies analysis, but people overstabbing is my experiance too, so maybe there is value in cr ankwardly weak hands
So in short whole hand is a spew?
btw, if you have pp under 8 or 8x, do you bet turn small and any weak overpair is overbet?
I don't think it's spew but I think there are higher EV lines.

OTT I'd go either 1/3 or OB. 1/3 targets Ace high and OB targets pp under 8 and weak 8x.
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08-09-2022 , 02:19 PM
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villain called river with weak 8, no flush blocker
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08-09-2022 , 02:29 PM
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villain called river with weak 8, no flush blocker
As he should, you're probably way overbluffing here
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08-10-2022 , 05:33 PM
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villain called river with weak 8, no flush blocker
What flushes you have here to being with? You just decided yeah I'm gonna have a flush I bet and he fold everything else. You are repping like A8hh only.
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08-10-2022 , 08:23 PM
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With flop half pot i want to fold beter aces, but yeah, check makes sense, iirc i decided to bet couse villain is known stabber, and i m too weak for a cr or cc, turn i thnik all sizes make sense, dont think 2/3 or 3/4 are particularly bad, on river i was targetting 8x and under pp
no ace should fold to a half pot

when you open small this flop is probably awful for you but your opponent probably doesn't know so i guess betting makes sense, id just bet smaller
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08-11-2022 , 06:26 AM
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Doing any crazy overbets on this river make any sense? What hand we would pick for bluffing?
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