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01-22-2022 , 05:08 PM
[converted_hand][hand_history]PokerStars - $0.16 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $35.04 (219 bb)
SB: $15.38 (96.1 bb)
BB: $16.15 (100.9 bb)
UTG: $30.46 (190.4 bb)
MP: $20.82 (130.1 bb)
Hero (CO): $23.60 (147.5 bb)

SB posts $0.08, BB posts $0.16

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.24) Hero has Q Q
fold, MP raises to $0.48, Hero raises to $1.44, 3 folds, MP calls $0.96

Flop: ($3.12, 2 players) T 2 K
MP checks, Hero bets $0.98, MP calls $0.98

Turn: ($5.08, 2 players) 8
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($5.08, 2 players) J
MP bets $4.85, Hero raises to $21.18 and is all-in

My thinking is I block the most likely combo of AQ to make it here (clubs), and he would struggle to call with ak and I thought the spr was high enough.

Am I an idiot?

Last edited by Tamol; 01-22-2022 at 05:32 PM.
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01-22-2022 , 05:39 PM
i don't think you're an idiot. usually blockers + equity = hero call , blockers no equity = bluff.
this is done a lot with pairs in PLO, in NL i think ur hand might be on the "hero call" end of the spectrum, however (should you choose one of these two approaches)

i think vs gto-attempting players you'll get a lot of folds, vs normal players they're gonna call you with a lot of things that leave you pulling your hair out.. like 2p and stuff lol

personally XING FLOP. we block all of the draws we're afraid of, and only value owning ourselves vs a king.

i could list the reasons, but, ive found it profitable to not try to run stuff like this unless im sure the villain/pool is polarizing. if you're vsing merging recs, it's financial suicide to run giant blocker bluffs in my experience... because blocking the nuts doesnt matter when they like their hand.
i could probably make a 10 min long youtube montage of me jamming hundreds of dollars on the riv with "The nut blockers" only to get tank called or, better yet, snap called, by a guy who couldn't let his 2p go; then me beating my little brothers dog

Last edited by LordPallidan12; 01-22-2022 at 05:53 PM.
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01-22-2022 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by LordPallidan12
i don't think you're an idiot. usually blockers + equity = hero call , blockers no equity = bluff.
this is done a lot with pairs in PLO, in NL i think ur hand might be on the "hero call" end of the spectrum, however (should you choose one of these two approaches)

i think vs gto-attempting players you'll get a lot of folds, vs normal players they're gonna call you with a lot of things that leave you pulling your hair out.. like 2p and stuff lol

personally XING FLOP. we block all of the draws we're afraid of, and only value owning ourselves vs a king.

i could list the reasons, but, ive found it profitable to not try to run stuff like this unless im sure the villain/pool is polarizing. if you're vsing merging recs, it's financial suicide to run blocker bluffs in my experience... because blocking the nuts doesnt matter when they like their hand.
i could probably make a 10 min long youtube montage of me jamming hundreds of dollars on the riv with "The nut blockers" only to get tank called or snap called by a guy who couldn't let his 2p go, then me beating my little brothers dog
I always range bet K/A high flops in 3bet pots, literally so many people in the pool x k/a high flops with TT-QQ and it's so easy to bluff them off the pot.

Plus when I don't have it it seems like people heavily overfold 99-QQ when there is a K or A on the flop in 3bet pots.

But yeah agree I could balance my range by checking when I have an Ace or King to save myself from spots like this.

Do you think the SPR is low enough for my bluff to generate folds?
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01-22-2022 , 06:16 PM
No It is fine. His sizing is worriyng though. I might end up explofold 100% readless instead of bluffing This combo some %.

Btw I would be chocked if he had AK With this bet(only if he was a fish maybe). It is 2p+ and maaaybe some feeew bluffs.
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01-22-2022 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Swedishmonkey
No It is fine. His sizing is worriyng though. I might end up explofold 100% readless instead of bluffing This combo some %.

Btw I would be chocked if he had AK With this bet(only if he was a fish maybe). It is 2p+ and maaaybe some feeew bluffs.
well he was a fish, but I was still pretty surprised when he snapped me off with JTo

I've ran into it so many times over the past two days vs hands that people shouldn't have

literally just lost a 3bet pot CO vs MP as I was typing this to a 40bb short stack who jammed 69s in a 3bet pot on 894 when I had JJ, all in on flop he turned a 9.

Poker is indeed painful at times.
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01-22-2022 , 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Tamol
well he was a fish, but I was still pretty surprised when he snapped me off with JTo
2p called it XD


thats the crux of what im saying. it DOESNT generate folds vs certain player types, and its an expensive way to find out what kind of a player/pool you're vs.

you're basically asking about how to eloquently debate a drunk guy who's charging at you with a broken bottle, the finer nuances of your blockers will be lost on him, as he swings wild haymakers and fishooks your lip with his 2p

Last edited by LordPallidan12; 01-22-2022 at 06:59 PM.
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01-22-2022 , 07:04 PM
deep down inside , i think your real question is " how did he call this "

and the answer is, i dunno but they always call , so you have to adapt
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01-22-2022 , 07:23 PM
It's not a bad line, just make a note against this villain and don't bluff him when he's repping 2P+ anymore.

I would still keep bluffs against him in lines where he caps himself.
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01-22-2022 , 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LordPallidan12
deep down inside , i think your real question is " how did he call this "

and the answer is, i dunno but they always call , so you have to adapt
That's what I struggle with, I know so often when I'm behind but I 'have a good bluffcatcher' so am too undisciplined to fold, when in reality only a small portion of the pool actually ever bluffs. I also don't use a hud but should really to identify these types of players.

Need to start working on my mindset and tilt issues I guess.

I've got Jared Tendlers 'the mental game of poker', anyone else got any recommendations?
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01-22-2022 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by browni3141
It's not a bad line, just make a note against this villain and don't bluff him when he's repping 2P+ anymore.

I would still keep bluffs against him in lines where he caps himself.
Yeah I think it's a good bluff if I'm not playing 16z
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01-22-2022 , 08:17 PM
We definitely have nice blockers to bluff raise.

I don't like it in practice. When you bluff riase river is really important that V has reasonable amount of bluffs. I don't think you'll see that much bluffs because he has to turn pairs into the bluff. So just muck this one.
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01-22-2022 , 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Tamol
That's what I struggle with, I know so often when I'm behind but I 'have a good bluffcatcher' so am too undisciplined to fold, when in reality only a small portion of the pool actually ever bluffs. I also don't use a hud but should really to identify these types of players.

Need to start working on my mindset and tilt issues I guess.

I've got Jared Tendlers 'the mental game of poker', anyone else got any recommendations?
i think just as a default, realize your average opponent is not playing a balanced polarized strat. If you realize he's betting AND calling merged, it really shouldn't take discipline to adjust - just logic. There's solace in knowing you're making the right decision in a PARTICULAR situation, with the info that is available to you (his/pool tendencies) . if i went to U.K it wouldn't take discipline to drive on the right-hand side , logically, i would know im making the most +Ev decision, and that if i mix it up im gonna head-on a tanker

Last edited by LordPallidan12; 01-22-2022 at 10:02 PM.
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01-22-2022 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Tamol
[converted_hand][hand_history]PokerStars - $0.16 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: $35.04 (219 bb)
SB: $15.38 (96.1 bb)
BB: $16.15 (100.9 bb)
UTG: $30.46 (190.4 bb)
MP: $20.82 (130.1 bb)
Hero (CO): $23.60 (147.5 bb)

SB posts $0.08, BB posts $0.16

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.24) Hero has Q Q
fold, MP raises to $0.48, Hero raises to $1.44, 3 folds, MP calls $0.96

Flop: ($3.12, 2 players) T 2 K
MP checks, Hero bets $0.98, MP calls $0.98

Turn: ($5.08, 2 players) 8
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($5.08, 2 players) J
MP bets $4.85, Hero raises to $21.18 and is all-in

My thinking is I block the most likely combo of AQ to make it here (clubs), and he would struggle to call with ak and I thought the spr was high enough.

Am I an idiot?
Definitely not an idiot. Definitely going to get overcalled here vs most people vs this sizing and against unknowns. I probably lean toward fold. Most players I've run into at 10Z and 50Z tend to overcall strong hands OOP, and then compensate by betting bigger when they make a hand.
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01-23-2022 , 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by LordPallidan12
if i went to U.K it wouldn't take discipline to drive on the right-hand side , logically, i would know im making the most +Ev decision, and that if i mix it up im gonna head-on a tanker
left?

But what if, what if you never practiced driving on the wrong side of the road? I share Tamol's frustration with this hand. If we never play to improve our tendencies will shrivel up and drop off like a dead limb

Wait, I've just thought of the answer. Can't believe I never thought of it before
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