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08-02-2022 , 05:14 PM
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Anyone folding turn?

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NL Holdem 0.25(BB)
HERO ($24.35) [VPIP: 27.4% | PFR: 23.6% | AGG: 37.8% | Flop Agg: 44.9% | Turn Agg: 34.3% | River Agg: 35.2% | 3-Bet: 11% | 4-Bet: 15% | Hands: 59544]
BTN ($36.44) [VPIP: 44.4% | PFR: 22.2% | AGG: 28.6% | Hands: 9]
SB ($50.57) [VPIP: 28.6% | PFR: 16.3% | AGG: 36.4% | Hands: 49]
BB ($25.66) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 25% | AGG: 100% | Flop Agg: 100% | Turn Agg: 100% | River Agg: 100% | 3-Bet: 25% | Fold to 3-Bet: 0% | 4-Bet: 0% | Hands: 12]
UTG ($9.65) [VPIP: 0% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 7]
HJ ($26.90) [VPIP: 22.2% | PFR: 11.1% | AGG: 22.2% | Hands: 46]

Dealt to Hero: 9 9

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.50, BTN Folds, SB Folds, BB Raises To $2.50, HERO Calls $2

Hero SPR on Flop: [4.28 effective]
Flop ($5.10): 6 3 Q
BB Bets $1.46 (Rem. Stack: $21.70), HERO Calls $1.46 (Rem. Stack: $20.39)

Turn ($8.02): 6 3 Q T
BB Bets $5.72 (Rem. Stack: $15.98), HERO Calls $5.72 (Rem. Stack: $14.67)

River ($19.46): 6 3 Q T 8
BB Bets $15.98 (allin), HERO ?
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08-02-2022 , 05:30 PM
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Ya, easy turn fold I think.
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08-02-2022 , 05:54 PM
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Ya, easy turn fold I think.
Yeah that's one of my leaks is I call too much. These guy's aren't bluffing.

Look how far away preflop is from optimal.



BB 3bet is 8% vs BTN RFI and it should be over 14%.

SB 3bet vs CO RFI is less than 8%. Should be over 11%.

BB3BETvsCO RFI is a little over 6%. Should be almost 9%.
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08-02-2022 , 06:01 PM
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Ya, big blind is way under 3b for sure in general. Good to know those specific stats, thx.

If you look at 3b pots in general tho, even with optimal ranges mid PP actually get folded more than most think with a Broadway over. Especially OOP, I think this flop call is very standard IP.

But turn is just a snap fold and I think anything other than folding is overthinking it unless V is a proven spew box.
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08-02-2022 , 06:50 PM
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I'd fold the turn as well against an unknown.
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08-02-2022 , 07:16 PM
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Yeah. Turn is more of a fold.
Otr I don't hate calling, but it's very low ev if profitable.
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08-03-2022 , 03:18 PM
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As others have said, even regs tend to be terrible at 3betting in the BB. Pretty clear fold turn imo.
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08-03-2022 , 05:00 PM
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If you're calling the turn then you should be calling the river - complete blank. The decision comes on the turn - I don't know 3 barreling tendencies at these stakes but this seems like a board that will see more barrels than not given the turn - I honestly don't mind the call down vs someone who is capable.
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08-04-2022 , 04:50 AM
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think im folding flop in general UPs don't do a lot of calling unless they have positive blockers.
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08-04-2022 , 05:11 AM
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If you're calling the turn then you should be calling the river - complete blank.
Not necessarily.

A lot of players at these stakes are fully capable of bluffing flops and turns, but then will completely shut down on the river after being called twice.
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08-04-2022 , 06:47 AM
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A lot of players at these stakes are fully capable of bluffing flops and turns, but then will completely shut down on the river after being called twice.
I have the exact opposite problem
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08-04-2022 , 04:18 PM
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Not necessarily.

A lot of players at these stakes are fully capable of bluffing flops and turns, but then will completely shut down on the river after being called twice.
Yes I mentioned that in my post. In theory the turn card gives a ton of hands equity, and the river blanks on all of them but if villains are weak enough not to barrel here then you should fold. I don't play these stakes but population tendencies are very important.
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08-04-2022 , 04:41 PM
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If you're calling the turn then you should be calling the river - complete blank. The decision comes on the turn - I don't know 3 barreling tendencies at these stakes but this seems like a board that will see more barrels than not given the turn - I honestly don't mind the call down vs someone who is capable.
I never liked that logic because a B-B range is much different from a B-B-B range. MDA show's us this.
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08-04-2022 , 04:41 PM
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I have the exact opposite problem
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