Recently I've been reading up on some strategies for shortstacking ring games. From Ed Miller's SSS to Jim Rose's system of shoving QQ, KK, AA and AK pre-flop.

My question to all of you is: which of all these systems would you use and why?

Now I realize that it's more +EV to be a great deep stack player. But if you had to play a mechanical system at 16 tables at once - which one would you prefer?

I appreciate any comments you might have!

DIE

Why is shortstacking taboo?

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I wud suggest just announcing what hand you have and open shoving every hand until u do go completely Busto, and GTFO

the best strategy to short stacking is not to do it.

Buy in full and lose the majority of your stack to someone then start short stacking

you dont

this.

Because it's not poker anymore. It's World Poker Tour...

Playing with a full stack is the best ev way to roll but you can't discredit someone who's playing shortstacked in certain situations. If you're doing it temporarily to build a roll then do it. Seriously, the idea is to make money so if you can deploy a good strategy playing short stacked then more power to you.

I don't know that it's considered short stacked if you have 40 BBs but I've played this deep about a year ago when rebuilding a roll in the micros after a cash out. I like the range of 40 BBs because it makes your post flop decisions very simple.

Often an opening raise and continuation bet this deep makes your turn decision either push or fold. It often arises on the flop if the flop is favorable and your opponent has top pair or a decent draw. They're almost always willing to get it in and if you're playing top ranked hands then it's a good situation for you.

The time I did this I did so at $25 NL full ring buying in for $10 over 4-8 tables. In my first month I netted $780 never buying in for the max. After that month I had the roll I needed to switch back to the preferred method of buying in full. It proved to be a good boost to get things rolling. In the end it's your money.

Another reason one might buy-in short was mentioned in NL Hold'em Theory and Practice. Someone can correct me but I believe it had something to do with first joining a table and getting reads or settling in. You put up a small amount while you're playing with little information about your opponents and limit your risk. Once you're comfortable with the dinamics of the table you can top off and get your ev back in its happy place.

I get what you're trying to do, and definitely understand that there are profitable ways to play a SS strategy, but you basically declare yourself a soulless drooler who is the scum of the poker world. Most SS'ers usually defecate themselves on a regular basis and smell like a mixture of vinegar, pickle juice, and 3-day old "i already turned them inside-out but I can get another day from them" boxers.

You won't get many friendly responses from this forum, nor any other that I know of.

You lost me at pickle juice.

well said jr, i lold

I suggest the martingale short stack system. Buy in for 20 bb, open shove till you hit 40 and then leave. If you get stacked, buy in for 40bb and open shove till you hit 80. If you get stacked again, buy in for 80, shove till you double to 160 then open shove every hand. Foolproof imo.

^That seems pretty good. Dying in a greasy fire would be another good strategy (either of the two seems fine to me)

I suggest first taking a swim @ your local pool w/ olympic diving board, attempting the triple lindy, and crushing your skull on one of the lower platforms before you DIE.

Short stacking doesn't really work at the micro stakes because most of your edge is eaten by rake. Secondly, that Ed Miller system is a very poor method of short stacking. Open shoving is even worse. A player (poker_magic_guy) attempting a vastly superior and more complex open shove system is getting crushed on Full Tilt NL400+ over a giant sample size.

I think this!

Yea you could short stack, but it has got to be one of the most boring things to do with your time. I wouldn't call myself a poker player.

to people who shortstack +1

to OP forget shortstacking and learn to play real poker deep. This;
a) expands you knowledge and makes you a better player.
b) will win you more.
c) allows you to move up stakes as you'll actually improve.
d) will win you more because you move up.
e) means you wont be the annoying pric who causes the game to break up because everyone hates shortstacks.