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09-27-2010 , 11:23 PM
Normally don't open here but was short table and bb was fishy
Sb 14/13 cb 90, fcbet 60
bb fishy 43/8 over 60 hands so not a great sample size

Not sure if to fire again here, sb has never chraised and isnt aggro, bb is kind of passive but loose so far.

Once K hits and is checked through feel like I should have bet with equity. 3 way makes me not sure?




Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $57.60
BB: $41.80
Hero (UTG): $50.00
MP: $18.75
CO: $20.00
BTN: $81.40

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with Q J
Hero raises to $1.50, 3 folds, SB calls $1.25, BB calls $1

Flop: ($4.50) J 9 8 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $3.00, SB calls $3, BB calls $3

Turn: ($13.50) K (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($13.50) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, [color=red]BB bets $6.00
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09-27-2010 , 11:37 PM
I prob check back the flop tbh, my reasoning is i want to get to showdown cheap and i have a marginal draw where i can be c/r off of my pot equity.

As played checking turn is fine.

As played river is close i would probably fold (nit ftw) but im not sure its best, you could be good here often enough.
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09-28-2010 , 04:44 AM
Flop is an easy bet. I'm torn between b/f for like 8 or checking back ott. As they are unlikely to c/r as a semibluff, I think betting here is actually good.
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09-28-2010 , 05:39 AM
getting 3 to one on the river against this guy i am calling.
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09-28-2010 , 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray Zee
getting 3 to one on the river against this guy i am calling.
I think if we're willing to call a smallish river bet we'd be better off betting the turn for thin value against JT,T9,AT,TT which will also give us a free SD a fair amount of the time and/or the the chance to VB again if we happen to luckbox a T or a J on the river.
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09-28-2010 , 07:27 AM
I call river. the 4s didn't help his hand. why would he check king on turn (unless he has like a 5 kicker)? There are hands that beat us, but it looks like one of those "he checked, so I'll bet" rivers.

I prefer betting flop to checking - our draw isn't all that valuable and isn't to the nuts. Would rather get folds now if I can.
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09-28-2010 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexB182
I think if we're willing to call a smallish river bet we'd be better off betting the turn for thin value against JT,T9,AT,TT which will also give us a free SD a fair amount of the time and/or the the chance to VB again if we happen to luckbox a T or a J on the river.
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09-28-2010 , 07:41 PM
it depends on your opponent but i wouldnt want to bet and have him run me off having a hand that could have so many outs to something he raised with.
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09-29-2010 , 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray Zee
it depends on your opponent but i wouldnt want to bet and have him run me off having a hand that could have so many outs to something he raised with.
I see what you're getting at but imo, when we get c/raised on this turn then we're having 6 outs at best (Q is never really going to be good for us, even on a J we're not really going to be happy to call a river bet).
Given that I think that we can pretty happily b/f in this spot and would be better off checking back the turn if we had either more SD value or more outs (like an OESD instead of a gut shot).
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09-29-2010 , 03:06 PM
fine as long as you feel it is worth giving up the draw at your outs and the money you put in with your bet fold play.
that play works best with those that when they raise you, you are basically not going to win.
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09-29-2010 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray Zee
fine as long as you feel it is worth giving up the draw at your outs and the money you put in with your bet fold play.
that play works best with those that when they raise you, you are basically not going to win.
agree with the bolded part, if we thought that there was a reasonable chance that villain c/raises this turn as a bluff (and we're not comfortable with calling down) then checking back might be superiour.
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09-29-2010 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by AlexB182
agree with the bolded part, if we thought that there was a reasonable chance that villain c/raises this turn as a bluff (and we're not comfortable with calling down) then checking back might be superiour.
All very true what has been said here - but in the micros, people are never c/r this kind of board without a hand which has absolutely crushed equity wise IN GENERAL.
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09-30-2010 , 01:27 AM
even though this may be for micro most here that are paying attention will be moving up in stakes. and you have to adjust and learn about these things so you dont lose along the way. at each stage as you go up you see more of the plays that get talked about that may not happen much where you are now playing.
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09-30-2010 , 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray Zee
even though this may be for micro most here that are paying attention will be moving up in stakes. and you have to adjust and learn about these things so you dont lose along the way. at each stage as you go up you see more of the plays that get talked about that may not happen much where you are now playing.
Very valid point - if villain can c/r here on a draw, our equity increases (but it may not increase sufficiently) and so basically because we are not committed if villain raises, we should be checking this hand back to a more aggressive opponent.
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