lol at #5, and you know why =P

ty sir

just to confirm, this is still on, we ship to masterlj if he's cool with it

yep, I'm still betting

Please coach me on flopping wheels with straight flush draws after 3 betting preflop with teh 42s against someone really good and rarely folding.

We're gonna start up again in 4 hours

hu4rollz are sweet

test

when you guys starting up?

I am interested in betting on myselfat even odds up to 4k total.

We're going to be starting up in about 15-20 minutes.

what time would that be in seattle? Forum time is not the same as my clock, thx

on like donkey kong

results from day two

we might be playing more today

but after 800 hands i'm up 2 buyins above rake

I'm tired, gonna call it a night. Hopefully Jesse sees this and we can just play Thursdsay (won't be free tmrw). Here's some graphs and stuff tho.






Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BTN/SB): $78.80
BB: $76.05

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with T T
Hero raises to $1, BB raises to $3.50, Hero raises to $7, BB raises to $18.50, Hero raises to $78.80 all in, BB calls $57.55 all in

Flop: ($152.10) 2 2 7 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Turn: ($152.10) K (2 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($152.10) Q (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $152.10
Hero shows T T (two pair, Tens and Twos)
BB shows 9 9 (two pair, Nines and Twos)
Hero wins $151.60
(Rake: $0.50)


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BTN/SB): $104.30
BB: $65.25

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with 4 6
Hero raises to $1, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.00) 7 5 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB raises to $7, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($16.00) Q (2 players)
BB requests TIME, BB checks, Hero bets $11.50, BB requests TIME, BB raises to $57.25 all in, Hero calls $45.75

River: ($130.50) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $130.50
Hero shows 4 6 (a flush, Queen high)
BB shows 5 5 (a full house, Fives full of Sevens)
BB wins $130.00
(Rake: $0.50)


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BB): $89.40
BTN/SB: $59.40

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 7 A
BTN/SB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.00) 7 A 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $1.50, Hero raises to $5.25, BTN/SB requests TIME, BTN/SB calls $3.75

Turn: ($12.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $8.50, BTN/SB requests TIME, BTN/SB raises to $18.50, Hero raises to $83.15 all in, BTN/SB calls $34.65 all in

River: ($118.80) T (2 players - 2 are all in)

Final Pot: $118.80
Hero shows 7 A (two pair, Aces and Sevens)
BTN/SB shows 3 A (two pair, Aces and Threes)
Hero wins $118.30
(Rake: $0.50)


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BB): $57.25
BTN/SB: $124.60

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with K Q
BTN/SB raises to $1, Hero raises to $3.50, BTN/SB requests TIME, BTN/SB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.00) T 8 Q (2 players)
Hero bets $4, BTN/SB calls $4

Turn: ($15.00) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $11, Hero raises to $49.75 all in, BTN/SB requests TIME, BTN/SB calls $38.75

River: ($114.50) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $114.50
Hero shows K Q (three of a kind, Queens)
BTN/SB shows 9 8 (two pair, Queens and Eights)
Hero wins $114.00
(Rake: $0.50)


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BB): $178.00
BTN/SB: $51.15

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with Q Q
BTN/SB raises to $1, Hero raises to $3.50, BTN/SB requests TIME, BTN/SB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.00) 3 5 J (2 players)
Hero bets $4, BTN/SB calls $4

Turn: ($15.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $11, BTN/SB raises to $43.65 all in, Hero calls $32.65

River: ($102.30) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $102.30
Hero shows Q Q (a pair of Queens)
BTN/SB shows 5 A (a straight, Five high)
BTN/SB wins $101.80
(Rake: $0.50)


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BB): $69.50
BTN/SB: $50.90

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 6 8
BTN/SB raises to $1, Hero raises to $3.50, BTN/SB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.00) 6 5 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, BTN/SB calls $4

Turn: ($15.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $11, BTN/SB raises to $43.40 all in, Hero calls $32.40

River: ($101.80) J (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $101.80
Hero shows 6 8 (two pair, Sixes and Fives)
BTN/SB shows Q J (two pair, Jacks and Fives)
BTN/SB wins $101.30
(Rake: $0.50)


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BTN/SB): $92.05
BB: $50.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with K T
Hero raises to $1, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.00) Q A 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.00) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $3, Hero calls $3

River: ($8.00) 4 (2 players)
BB bets $13, Hero raises to $88.05 all in, BB requests TIME, BB calls $33.50 all in

Final Pot: $101.00
Hero shows K T (a pair of Fours)
BB shows A 8 (two pair, Aces and Eights)
BB wins $100.50
(Rake: $0.50)


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BTN/SB): $50.00
BB: $119.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BTN/SB with K K
Hero raises to $1, BB raises to $3.50, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.00) 7 K 8 (2 players)
BB bets $4, Hero calls $4

Turn: ($15.00) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $11, BB calls $11

River: ($37.00) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $31.50 all in, BB requests TIME, BB calls $31.50

Final Pot: $100.00
Hero shows K K (four of a kind, Kings)
BB mucks A Q
Hero wins $99.50
(Rake: $0.50)


Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

Hero (BB): $98.95
BTN/SB: $102.60

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 9 8
BTN/SB raises to $1, Hero calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.00) 7 7 A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets $4, Hero raises to $15.50, BTN/SB calls $11.50

River: ($36.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $28.50, BTN/SB calls $28.50

Final Pot: $93.00
Hero shows 9 8 (a flush, Nine high)
BTN/SB mucks 7 T
Hero wins $92.50
(Rake: $0.50)

wtf 50nl

read the op WS.

can someone double check this, and that for example if i'm up 100 and he's down 200 (we each paid 50 in rake) he owes me 150*3 and not 100*3 to be consistent with this? since 'even' is -$50 i'm up 150 on him right? just like if i was down 40 and he was down 60 i'd be up 10 on him?

i'm pretty sure and he agrees but my brain hurts when i think about this stuff

Looking at it quickly, all seems correct.

Just make sure you label your units whenever giving results or anything. That way its clear whether you won actual money or 50$ nl money.

To clarify: Add the amounts won/lost by both players. This sum should be negative, which is the amount of rake paid. Divide by 2 to get amount each player paid. This is breakeven point, the difference between the break even point and either player (doesnt matter which player, since it should be equal) is the amount of $ down/up (50$ money). Multiply by 3 to get actual money down/up.

you know what would take all this guessing out of the equation.....



and the winner pays the rake. so if hes down 200 he didnt pay anything in rake so hes down 4 buyins and owes u 4 buyins worth

and in the session where u both lose you go off of who loses the most. so for that first session u lost 20 and he lost 70 he owes u 70x3

not this........ i showed this to a couple friends just cause this post blew my mind.

This is not a perfect model for calculating the money you should exchange after the 50NL session is over but I would use it because it should be a preety close aproximation.

In order to calculate the exact amount you have to take into account the fact that rake is taken from pots, not from player's stacks and the player who wins more pots postflop will pay more rake. Only by calculating individual rake(Individual rake is the sum of rake taken from pots won by one player.) and adding that to the amount won/lost by each player you can get the exact result.

If you don't take this into account you miss the fact that the players who ends up winning more pots pays more rake.

Example:

Player 1 is -50$. 35$ were taken from player 1 pots' won.
Player 2 is -30$. 45$ were taken from player 2 pots' won.
Player 1's final result would be -15$.
Player 2's final resutl would be +15$.
Player 1 pays player 2 the amount of 45$.

Individual rake can be figured out easily.
You filter the results in HM by using the More Filters/(scroll down) Other Filters/ Won hand=True.
The rake amount shown by HM with this filter on is Individual rake/2. Just multiply the amount shown in holdem manager by 2 and you get the true rake payed by the player.

If you use Won hand=False you will obviously get Opponent's individual rake/2.

^
Yeah I actually only looked at what I did quite briefly so there is probably some holes.

I however did think about what you said before I posted.

I think my model is right because rake it take out of the pot (like you stated). Therefore it is not really the winning player that is paying it. What it actually means is, that a 200$ pot that will be raked 1$, is actually only a 199 pot. Each player paid 50 cents when they put money into the pot, and whoever wins will never be getting that back, neither is loser. So when the pot money is raked, noone actually owns it. I think this makes sense.

If someone opens to 1.50, bb 3bets to 5 and button calls. The amount you guys put in the pot is 5$ each equaling 10$ total. Say the pot will be raked .50, then the actual pot you are fighting for is 9.50$. You each payed .25 rake already, it is not the winner that loses .50 from the 10$ pot

I guess in some infinite sense, there is actually more EV in winning a pot preflop, since these don't get raked. But the amount is so small its probably negligible.

masterlj is pretty much at his escrow limit so im happy to just void the bet if you wish since the line still seems to be at evens and im too lazy to look for a second escrow. if you wanna go ahead, im still down to bet if you find the escrow, otherwise happy to call it off.