I don't think any of those are bot plays, the 99 hand looks like a blocker play and the KQ hand (nice call btw)/76 hand are overbluffed spots from regs.
The first data point I look for when trying to find bot plays is non reg plays/non MDA plays.
Dry, dry, dry... ya, after the turn OB and XR, I'd lean fold too. Seems unlikely he's over valuing Kx or anything other than 2 pair+. If he has QJ or air, then I guess good for him.
I just started a 5nl bankroll challenge and I think there are bots at 5nl as well. Same sh.it happened to me on 2 BW board (turned 2BW like what happened here, I think this is programmed).
My new default strategy against turn min XR is call with value and 3bet jam air since I need to see how they react to it.
Here is me getting owned at 5nl by a probable bot, next time I need to jam turn.
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker HUD and Database Software
River ($1.73): 3 K 8 Q K
SB Checks, HERO Bets $1.65 (Rem. Stack: $6.70), SB Calls $1.65 (Rem. Stack: $2.14)
Spoiler:
SB shows: Q 9
SB wins: $4.78
**** like this is the main reason I'm doing the challenge, I need to recalibrate realistic winrates for for all stakes. Bots are like a new player class. Instead of reg/fish strategies you need a 3rd strategy which is bot strategy.
Another data point to notice is that they called in the SB both times.
Edit: You actually need 4 strategies because collusion players have different tendencies than the first 3 classes and will make plays with just no pair/no draw air where as bots don't do that I think.
The skill level for being an online poker player just leveled up.
Last edited by DooDooPoker; 04-19-2024 at 10:32 AM.
Bots. Ugh. Online poker is so frustrating right now. Since i went on a big downturn im trying to grind back on 25nl and quite honestly ive been getting slaughtered even at that. Feels like my opponents can see my cards right now because they are constantly making the perfect play against my hand whatever it is. Now I know im dealing with bots too. Ive noticed a lot of the plays like you guys are talking about. Gotta recalibrate.
Hmmm. Niether look that sus to me, to be one hundred percent honest. People are forgetting how random and awful fish are?
Primarily, why would a bot play like this? Auto turn XR with any pair? Is that ever going to be a winning strategy in an environment infested with stations who can't overfold?
Maybe, if it was a good bot, they have you tagged regs and it becomes vaguely profitable if we're over double-barreling as we should be. But how many hands would that take to acrue reliable reg stats? Are you playing villains enough in these games for them to be capable of grand strategic switches like this?
Hmmm. Niether look that sus to me, to be one hundred percent honest. People are forgetting how random and awful fish are?
Primarily, why would a bot play like this? Auto turn XR with any pair? Is that ever going to be a winning strategy in an environment infested with stations who can't overfold?
Maybe, if it was a good bot, they have you tagged regs and it becomes vaguely profitable if we're over double-barreling as we should be. But how many hands would that take to acrue reliable reg stats? Are you playing villains enough in these games for them to be capable of grand strategic switches like this?
Vaguely profitable? The bot's line prints.
1. Over double barreled spot
2. Over folded spot
NG just folded ACES (rightfully so with the information you had available). There's 0% chance this is only vaguely profitable vs the population.
Bots. Ugh. Online poker is so frustrating right now. Since i went on a big downturn im trying to grind back on 25nl and quite honestly ive been getting slaughtered even at that. Feels like my opponents can see my cards right now because they are constantly making the perfect play against my hand whatever it is. Now I know im dealing with bots too. Ive noticed a lot of the plays like you guys are talking about. Gotta recalibrate.
Iggy is the best place to develop counter strategies since we get to see the hole cards.
All the 5bb winners at 200nl+ are dead men walking if they don't have a proper bot/collusion counter strategy.
Hmmm. Niether look that sus to me, to be one hundred percent honest. People are forgetting how random and awful fish are?
Primarily, why would a bot play like this? Auto turn XR with any pair? Is that ever going to be a winning strategy in an environment infested with stations who can't overfold?
Maybe, if it was a good bot, they have you tagged regs and it becomes vaguely profitable if we're over double-barreling as we should be. But how many hands would that take to acrue reliable reg stats? Are you playing villains enough in these games for them to be capable of grand strategic switches like this?
Hmm...sounds like something a bot would say.
But seriously I kind of see your side as well. Like it doesn't make sense to be doing this in a spot (especially mine where turn OBs are extremely value heavy) and would seem to be a losing play.
Then again, with their raise size being so small, maybe they know players will be jamming all their value so they can just overfold to a shove.
NG just folded ACES (rightfully so with the information you had available). There's 0% chance this is only vaguely profitable vs the population.
But stations won't fold AA, and that's what 95% of the bot's target market?
Can we test this and everyone start autoraising turns with dying pairs? if it wins I'll accept
I think we overlook that people are just very often pissed out of their minds too. Especially cash tables. Owning regs or avatars or big stacks is a enticing thing to do when you're smashed and you'll try all kinds of rando 'moves' when you're not even looking at your cards. (cough cough like some hands posted here these days) Another guess, some of these look like whales annoyed their PP value just got minced after investing preflop.
i mean, i'm no bot expert. I hate them honestly. Would never use a bot me
But stations won't fold AA, and that's what 95% of the bot's target market?
Can we test this and everyone start autoraising turns with dying pairs? if it wins I'll accept
I think we overlook the fact people are just very often pissed out of their minds too. Especially cash tables. Owning regs or avatars or big stacks is a enticing thing to do when you're smashed and you'll try all kinds of rando 'moves' when you're not even looking at your cards. (cough cough like some hands posted here these days) Another guess, some of these look like whales annoyed their PP value just got minced after investing preflop.
i mean, i'm no bot expert. I hate them honestly. Would never use a bot me
Yeah you're right station's won't fold AA but if you look at MDA the 1 BW--->2BW is way overbluffed so they are targeting this specific board runout imo.
I still have a small sample right now but bots are everywhere. Go look in the ACR/Bovada threads. Guys who were crushing before can't even beat the games now.
Also the MDA I showed for fish has 62% probability of 2 pair+ so when we start seeing a hand like 99 you can just use Bayes Theorem calculations to know that it is more likely a bot than a button smashing fish.
Last edited by DooDooPoker; 04-19-2024 at 01:22 PM.