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AQs in SB 200bbs deep AQs in SB 200bbs deep

09-15-2009 , 05:16 PM
Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $92.65
MP: $98.25
CO: $62.65
BTN: $50.00
SB: $50.00
Hero (BB): $167.10

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with Q A
1 fold, MP raises to $1.50, 3 folds, Hero raises to $5, MP raises to $15, 1 fold

So, some thoughts here. The villain in question has played about 50 hands with me. Earlier in the session we played a hand with 100bb effective stacks where he opened from UTG+1 and got three callers. I squeezed with JJ, he ships and I called. He showed QQ. This was relatively early on and it may be irrelevant, but I digress.

In a deep pot like this, am I correct to fold here and wait for a better spot? Or, should I be calling here knowing that a 4b would make me very uncomfortable? Is a 5b unreasonable? I don't think that we have enough history for me to stack off this deep with AQs, but I might be better off having the initiative in the hand if I were to play it. Hope the feedback is good.

Edit: In the hand I described, I binked a J on the flop and stacked him. For those wondering if tilt would come into consideration at all, here's some info about that too. Then again, that probably belongs in BBV.
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09-15-2009 , 05:37 PM
Fold.
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09-15-2009 , 05:50 PM
I call pre with AQs, I'd rather 3-bet bluff him with AQo (although I'd prob flat AQo too fwiw)

If I do 3-bet pre its as a bluff and I'd make it $6 since the $5 gives him too much room to flat. fwiw the implicit threat of the 3-bet bluff is not as great when we are deep because the SPR is still fairly large. If it were a different scenario where MP had 3-bet an UTG raiser to $5.50 and we had 4-bet to $17.50 that would be a much more threatening bet (because we just cold 4-bet and villain isn't going to be very happy stacking off this deep with QQ/AK or worse).

Basically a 3-bet bluff here doesn't carry as much weight being deep with villain and the tilt factor should be a reason to flat and let him make mistakes with worse hands, not re-open the betting oop with a marginal hand expecting him to flat AJ or KQ.

As played fold
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09-15-2009 , 05:52 PM
OP, dont 3b pre.
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09-15-2009 , 05:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gateswi
I call pre with AQs, I'd rather 3-bet bluff him with AQo (although I'd prob flat AQo too fwiw)

If I do 3-bet pre its as a bluff and I'd make it $6 since the $5 gives him too much room to flat. fwiw the implicit threat of the 3-bet bluff is not as great when we are deep because the SPR is still fairly large. If it were a different scenario where MP had 3-bet an UTG raiser to $5.50 and we had 4-bet to $17.50 that would be a much more threatening bet (because we just cold 4-bet and villain isn't going to be very happy stacking off this deep with QQ/AK or worse).

Basically a 3-bet bluff here doesn't carry as much weight being deep with villain and the tilt factor should be a reason to flat and let him make mistakes with worse hands, not re-open the betting oop with a marginal hand expecting him to flat AJ or KQ.

As played fold
You want to bluff here pre with AQ? You must be on crack cocaine or something.
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09-15-2009 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BombayBadboy
You want to bluff here pre with AQ? You must be on crack cocaine or something.
OP's line seems more like a bluff to me than for value so I was discussing that, my post actually does not recommend 3-bet bluffing AQs in this spot...
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09-15-2009 , 05:59 PM
who was villain in this hand?
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09-15-2009 , 05:59 PM
I dont hate the 3-bet all that much. You are way ahead of his opening range here. Also, typical villains at this level will call pretty wide here because you are deep and they have the illusion of "implied odds" and fold to c-bets to often which allows you to pick up the pot often enough to make a profit here.

When he 4-bets its a different story, its a pretty easy fold. RIO/ not making enough whne you are up vs. KK and flop an A/ his 4-bet range and being out of pos dont make up for the times you flop flushes, ldo.
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