888 Poker - $0.30 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG: $31.34 (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 11.25, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 163)
UTG+1: $48.25 (VPIP: 17.22, PFR: 11.00, 3Bet Preflop: 2.26, Hands: 634)
MP: $39.33 (VPIP: 26.47, PFR: 14.71, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 34)
MP+1: $30.00 (VPIP: 14.14, PFR: 11.52, 3Bet Preflop: 3.79, Hands: 1,274)
MP+2: $46.10 (VPIP: 15.53, PFR: 7.20, 3Bet Preflop: 0.92, Hands: 266)
Hero (CO): $30.46
BTN: $30.00 (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 12.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 63)
SB: $78.88 (VPIP: 68.75, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
BB: $27.75 (VPIP: 17.95, PFR: 10.41, 3Bet Preflop: 2.93, Hands: 672)

SB posts SB $0.15, BB posts BB $0.30

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.45) Hero has Q A

UTG raises to $0.60, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.60, BTN calls $0.60, SB calls $0.45, fold

Flop: ($2.70, 4 players) 2 Q 7
SB checks, UTG bets $1.35, Hero calls $1.35, fold, SB calls $1.35

Turn: ($6.75, 3 players) Q
SB checks, UTG bets $3.37, Hero calls $3.37, fold

River: ($13.49, 2 players) 5
UTG bets $6.74, Hero calls $6.74


So I think I played this hand way too nittily, but the whole time I was thinking in my head "UTG triple barrel - surely his range is super narrow here".

I think in the long run a raise somewhere along the line a raise is probably going to be the most profitable line though - thoughts?

i think is ok , i dont see value if we raise ott because he will likely fold AA KK .if he had a boat good for him

I feel like at some point you need to raise. Maybe a small one on the river where he'll feel like he has to call

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+1

If the 15/11 stat holds over a larger sample, UTG's RFI is going to be pretty low from that spot. For discussion's sake OP, I'm curious what other hands you have in your flat calling range here? It's gotta be a super small range, doesn't it?

I'm not in love with the call pre.

Given that the BTN and SB are complete whales and that BB has a very low 3B stat, we can likely call here wider than normal vs a UTG open from this villain. If we call, we're expecting there to be 3-4 players to the flop a high % of the time. Generally stuff with high IO would be fine to call with here, imo.

Going by scoops reply(100% agree) I think AQ is fine too, both whales are going to be flatting an awful lot of Qx and Ax we dominate too, we're not in the best position, but we should be able to play fairly well vs UTG who's going to play super straightforward in a 4 way pot.

Not sure about postflop. His betsizing seems a bit off for boats, like I'd personally go a lot bigger flop + turn when we're 4way and 3way with 2 whales and 1 whale. I want to raise, but I don't know if worse calls often enough.

Off the top of my head it'd be something like (22-TT, AJ-AQ, KQ, QTs-QJs) and then occasionally (rarely) hands like (JTs, KJs, ATs, 87s, ect) and with JJ+ I feel like I'd 3bet (but sometimes just call the JJ). Whilst the guy has some tight stats, I feel that a min raise pre (as opposed to a 3x+) is going to be weighted towards a weaker range here.


Little bit confused with what you're saying when you say we're not in love with the call pre but then saying we can call wider because of the guys behind us. I'm assuming you're not suggesting 3betting pre (which honesty I considered because it was a min raise) - so I'm assuming the reason we don't like calling is reverse implied odds reasons right?


I probably should have added in the original description that the two guys behind are stations. One of them called down a raise in position PF and a triple barrel on a K4324r runout with AT and I have notes on the other doing something stupid like limp calling 43o Utg (amongst other stuff) or something to that effect (but don't have access to notes just ATM).

This is pretty much exactly how I felt during the hand. He clearly has a value hand as we don't expect him to triple barrel down light here ever, but we also don't expect him to have many sets (7's seem possible, 2's seem less so) and that's all we lose to.

How do we all feel about shoving river here? I mean his range is probably (77, KQ, AQ) right?

Exactly; I'll call wider here with hands that have high implied-odds. But AQo is a hand with high reverse-implied odds because it'll make a lot of 2nd best hands that will have to call at least one c-bet, with little chance of improving to the best hand.

Whereas something like 89s, say, can flop tonnes of equity and plays really well multi-way.

Given it's a 2BB open, calling with AQo is fine, but I'd still rather have, say, JTs in this spot, with the 2 whales behind.

Yeah, my mistake, I didn't note both their stats on the initial perusal.