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Old 02-02-2009, 11:54 AM   #26
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looking forward too it.
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Old 02-02-2009, 01:48 PM   #27
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d/l it now, thanks
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Old 02-02-2009, 01:58 PM   #28
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At the very end when you would have flopped the nut flush, you said that it doesn't matter as the cards are shuffled constantly and every action at tables affects the shuffle.

At least Stars' representatives and their website are pretty adamant that they shuffle only before deal and the deck remains static throughout the hand. Apparently the constant shuffle is used on several other sites but from security point of view it really doesn't make difference either way if the RNG is good enough. (To be honest, constantly shuffling to me hints that RNG on a site may not be good enough - or at least the site owners have [had] doubts [at some point in time].)
Thanks for the explanation, guess I was mislead by someone on 2p2. I shouldn't say stuff I'm not 100% sure about, I apologize about that.
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Old 02-02-2009, 02:05 PM   #29
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Thanks for the video man, I'll DL and watch it today.
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Old 02-02-2009, 02:06 PM   #30
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Thanks for the explanation, guess I was mislead by someone on 2p2. I shouldn't say stuff I'm not 100% sure about, I apologize about that.
Ya I think FTP continuously shuffles, Stars is diff afaik.
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Old 02-02-2009, 03:06 PM   #31
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Re: Another video thread

downloading, dont know if its just me, but filefront.com works a lot better, thx
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Old 02-02-2009, 04:01 PM   #32
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Thanks for the explanation, guess I was mislead by someone on 2p2. I shouldn't say stuff I'm not 100% sure about, I apologize about that.
Good heavens, nothing to apologise.

The constant shuffle is (apparently) so commonly used that everyone who even thinks about it automatically assumes it's true for Stars as well. It really shouldn't make any difference as I would be willing to bet a lot that nothing in the current hand can affect even the constant shuffle.

Warning: 15+ years of information security background coming up.

Some, or even all poker clients collect some seed data from players and feed that to the server to generate better random data. This data includes, but is not limited to
  • mouse movement timing
  • click timing
  • CPU interrupt timing
  • CPU utilization
  • network packet frequency
  • and so on...

The data collected is from the extreme end of resolution. For example, if click timing is collected, the software records the timestamps from two consecutive clicks and uses the highest precision available. Say it takes you approximately 1.3s between clicks. On this particular occasion the time between these two was measured to be 1.31074476 seconds. The randomness collector uses only 3-4 least significant bits. These bits are then sent back to server, which uses them as input data for seeding.

In order to prevent recently collected data from having an effect on current hands, the random number pool is very likely two-fold. There is a larger pool, into which random data is fed, from clients and external hardware resources alike. This pool is constantly being "stirred", which usually means running a cryptographic operation over some or all parts of the large pool.

This pool is the "primary" source of entropy. Deck shufflers probably do not use it directly. Instead a smaller pool (or even several such pools) is/are constantly fed with data from larger pool, and from such smaller pool the shufflers get their random seeds. The smaller pools are also stirred after getting new data.

Then, when generating deck shuffles, a smaller amount of entropy (random bits) is taken from the small pool and used to shuffle a deck. Some bits may be left over if constant shuffle is used, and fed to the shuffler as extra seed after deal.

To make it absolutely impossible for "active" clients to have any effect on the current deal, the primary pool does not feed the smaller pool until the hands that were shuffled and dealt with the data are over.

....At least, that's how I would do it to prevent even the remotest chance of clients (players) on a table from affecting their deck shuffle when constant shuffle is used.

(Yes, I have some minor experience with applied cryptography.)
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Old 02-02-2009, 08:28 PM   #33
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Re: Another video thread

Hmmmmmmm audio but no video. Downloaded a few codecs linked from other vid threads but couldn't find the right one I guess?
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Old 02-02-2009, 11:47 PM   #34
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hey i had 2 questions you seem to check back the flop alot with pp and stuff that miss's. For instance you checked back 77 on at 24:50 on Q93r(semi dry) isnt it easier to play if you bet and he folds/calls. I mean you can always check down you have position. You would play it differently oop? what are you doing if he stabs the turn?

Also same with 99 at 46:51 I mean I just bet there the AKx hits your range so hard and he is never continuing without a A or K and he might even call you with worse. Also you have position isnt it easier to just bet? Is it a leak that I do? how would u play it oop ur betting right?

thanks if you get a chance to answer these. I dunno if that made sense.
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Old 02-03-2009, 05:52 AM   #35
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Nice video! I've just moved up to NL50 so this type of video is always welcome.

Thanks from PT!
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Old 02-03-2009, 06:58 AM   #36
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thanks i will watch this tonight
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Old 02-03-2009, 12:57 PM   #37
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Old 02-03-2009, 01:12 PM   #38
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Re: Another video thread

Downloaded the video, can hear the sound but it is only showing trippy colours and shapes.

What codec do I need to watch this?
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Old 02-03-2009, 02:51 PM   #39
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thank you speedle, I liked that video
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Old 02-04-2009, 01:08 AM   #40
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Re: Another video thread

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you checked back 77 on at 24:50 on Q93r(semi dry) isnt it easier to play if you bet and he folds/calls. I mean you can always check down you have position. You would play it differently oop? what are you doing if he stabs the turn?
Calling station. He checks. You bet. He calls. Turn is a X. Now he checks again. You have no idea where you stand.

Same player. He checks. You check back. Turn is a X. He checks/bets. You are well aware of what his turn betting or checking range is.

Personally I like going to showdown when I have some value in my hand and players play so str8 forward that I can manipulate their actions in order to know their exact hand range in each situation.

P.S. - Replace X by any card.

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Also same with 99 at 46:51 I mean I just bet there the AKx hits your range so hard and he is never continuing without a A or K and he might even call you with worse. Also you have position isnt it easier to just bet? Is it a leak that I do? how would u play it oop ur betting right?
50nl players don't know what a range is. 50nl players don't think about anything other than their hand.

I on the other hand know what a range his and I know that flop hits his range and he's never folding any part of that range to a bet.

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Nice video! I've just moved up to NL50 so this type of video is always welcome.

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Sempre às ordens.
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Old 02-04-2009, 04:48 AM   #41
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Re: Another video thread

i really liked this video do you have a link for your first video since i cant find it..
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Old 02-04-2009, 12:17 PM   #42
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Re: Another video thread

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...-video-231993/

glad you liked it, gl
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Old 02-04-2009, 01:34 PM   #43
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Downloaded the video, can hear the sound but it is only showing trippy colours and shapes.

What codec do I need to watch this?
+1 i can usually watch all others videos
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Old 02-04-2009, 01:38 PM   #44
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Re: Another video thread

http://download.divxmovies.com/XviD-1.1.3-27042008.exe

that one
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Old 02-04-2009, 02:17 PM   #45
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50nl players don't know what a range is. 50nl players don't think about anything other than their hand.

I on the other hand know what a range his and I know that flop hits his range and he's never folding any part of that range to a bet.


wait but AKx doesn't hit his range it hits yours, I don't get it. I mean you are raising high cards, while he is calling pp, suited connectors and junk hands am I missing something.
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Old 02-04-2009, 02:17 PM   #46
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50nl players don't know what a range is. 50nl players don't think about anything other than their hand.

I on the other hand know what a range his and I know that flop hits his range and he's never folding any part of that range to a bet.

wait but AKx doesn't hit his range it hits yours, I don't get it. I mean you are raising high cards, while he is calling pp, suited connectors and junk hands am I missing something.
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Old 02-04-2009, 03:18 PM   #47
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wait but AKx doesn't hit his range it hits yours, I don't get it. I mean you are raising high cards, while he is calling pp, suited connectors and junk hands am I missing something.
Yes but a 50NL player doesn't think like that, he's just looking at his cards and he's never folding any hand that I'm ahead of to a single bet. The hands that I'm ahead of are going to allow me to go to showdown often times and the hands that I'm behind to are never folding if I bet the flop (he's never folding any draw or Kx to a single bet and he sure as **** aint folding an A to 2 bets)
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Old 02-04-2009, 07:48 PM   #48
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Oxymoron?
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Old 02-04-2009, 08:55 PM   #49
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Old 02-05-2009, 02:26 AM   #50
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enjoyed this, thanks speedle.
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