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02-13-2009 , 11:29 AM

MrWooster

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Villain is very weak passive... according to his SS, he has only played 40 or so SNGs and they were all at the $1 level, he has never played as high as the $20s.

Villain folds to a lot of donk bets and usually folds to aggression.

What is the plan on the river.... do you play the flop/turn any different?

Full Tilt Poker $20 + $1 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 37716
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BTN/SB: t1423 M = 47.43
Hero (BB): t1577 M = 52.57

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with K

BTN/SB calls t10, Hero raises to t80, BTN/SB calls t60

Flop: (t160) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets t100, BTN/SB calls t100

Turn: (t360) 2

(2 players)
Hero bets t222, BTN/SB calls t222

River: (t804) Q

(2 players)

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02-13-2009 , 11:37 AM

WballZ

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I bet more on the turn, but don't expect him to fold on the river. We have good SD value against any kind of draw, so check it.

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02-13-2009 , 12:06 PM

rGiosa

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I think you need to check this turn bc u are behind most of the time. This kind of guys play scared money and u will see overpairs a lot there.

As played, just c/f. Sometimes he will cbh a worse A.

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02-13-2009 , 12:10 PM

sectorNL

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check that awful turn

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02-13-2009 , 02:30 PM

how_can_losing?

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Just for the sake of argument, what is wrong with open-shoving flop?

I c/f turn given reads. Weak passives do not usually bet turn with worse.

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02-13-2009 , 10:32 PM

Arsenal Gunners

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Originally Posted by how_can_losing?

Just for the sake of argument, what is wrong with open-shoving flop?

I c/f turn given reads. Weak passives do not usually bet turn with worse.

You are risking 1340 and the tourney to win 160 in chips. If you really want to try to push a weak passive off of a hand, an overbet of 200 does the same...but you are better off being patient and waiting for good hands to bet for value against these guys instead of gambling with a draw.

I like the PF raise for value and a c-bet isn't bad with the FD and equity, but these WP donks will call with any piece of it so I'm not betting any further after that.

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02-13-2009 , 10:57 PM

theshepler

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I agree w/ your flop bet and I'm also inclined to lead into the turn because most people would float that flop w/ overs. However, given what you've said about his normal habit of folding, all that you can do is check the river. You do have show down value, but you still have alot of chips, plenty of play, and from your read as him being weak a solid edge.

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02-13-2009 , 11:30 PM

mjw006

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We have a monster on the flop why the hell do we want him to fold???????

I generally check the turn given your reads. If he is often folding to donk bets but he calls this time i highly doubt he is folding the turn or the river for that matter. I c/c turn and re-eval river, obv if i get there i will make a decision then and if i miss likewise.

As played this is a pretty easy c/f.

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02-14-2009 , 01:42 AM

how_can_losing?

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Originally Posted by Arsenal Gunners

I do not want to push him off of a hand. I either want to get it in with better than 50% equity or get him to call with worse.

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02-14-2009 , 01:56 AM

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badboyboogie0

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i would bet a little bigger on the flop (120).

and always check the turn. if he calls the flop, i don't see him folding the turn very often when another 2 hits. and he knows that with those low cards you probably missed the flop.

and he's rarely calling with worse. the only worse hand he could call with is A high, but he limped preflop.

(and check/fold the river).

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02-14-2009 , 02:53 AM

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Arsenal Gunners

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Originally Posted by how_can_losing?

I do not want to push him off of a hand. I either want to get it in with better than 50% equity or get him to call with worse.

Oh, okay, I misunderstood. Then for the sake of argument as you said--even though we are probably a favorite to win the hand, I know that if I'm patient and value bet these stations to death, I will win. There is little to no variance in that. I would jam against a player who is better than me as I might not have a better chance to win than now and would be happy to take this pot down now as well. But against this player, I'm being patient and making sure I hit first because I know that he'll call.

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