Lol

If anybody is still unclear of the statistics involved, let me know.

I work at a college as a janitor even though I feel like I'm smarter than most of the people that go there. Sometimes I see an equation written on a blackboard, like, half an equation and I'll just figure it out.

anyone have the full verdict? is that possible to obtain from UK courts?

Has anyone heard from 888 about the refund money they nabbed? Any distributed? Anybody who was affected contacted them yet?

I am talking to the Gambling Commission on some stuff and want to chase player refunds from this so any update would help.

No refunds, no word from 888.

That's what I told the UKGC when I met them.

I asked them to check with 888 how they could specify a precise amount needed for player refunds but weeks later not have made any progress in refunding players.

I pointed out that Woods got time off his sentence in mitigation as his lawyer claimed every player would be fully refunded...but none has been. I asked them to chase 888 about it. Fortunately they are on record saying:

http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk...-back-1m-.aspx

Have you chased 888? I tried but have not had a reply.

This is what 888 had to say:

I would appreciate it if people would shout if and when they get a refund so I can stop chasing the regulator on this then.

I remain puzzled that 888 could request £283,673 to compensate players, a pretty precise sum, but over a month later not have contacted any players to pay them.

"An online poker player found guilty of fraud has been jailed and ordered to pay back £1m."

It doesn't say where the 1m is to be paid specifically

Hes from Grimsby, say no more,the girls round there have even had the ears bitten off!!

Just finding this thread today was a rather satisfying read, seeing that justice was done. Good job!

As a returning player and one who is worried about internet security, I have spent 2 evenings studying these posts.

I have so much more faith in the system than I had a week ago.

It reads like a battle to prove your suspicions. Well done to all involved for all the time, character assassinations and sticking with it, when most would lose hope over time and have doubts.

I hope those involved get their money returned, and the whole online poker world owe you thanks and lets all hope this is the start of big strides towards online scammers and filthy cheats.

I have to admit I didn't expect that.

Got 120k on my account today.

I know its not going to be fair to everyone. I probably got the biggest refund too.

Hope you guys get something. I was not in any contact with 888 and it was a complete surprise.

I lost around 400k in August of 2011 in these games if I remember correctly. It was almost 4 years ago.

Wow congrats

Was contacted by many people in skype.

Some affected players got refunds ranging from 5 to 50k.

Some unfortunately got nothing.

lol funny you Feruell.

Only difference between you and DW is, you have not been caught yet!!!!

Congratulations to all those that got some compensation.

Here is my cross post to NVG on this
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...9&postcount=87

Do you know what sites affected players have been receiving refunds on / from? Only 888 so far? (IOW have all of the affected players you've been in contact with been from 888?)

(i played vs. dooshcom a bunch back in the day too on 888...possibly on other sites tho i didn't know his s/n so...just wondering if my 888 acct is the only one I should keep my eye on...)

888 only

I'm about to chase the UKGC (again)* on this. The other site was i-poker right? By your estimate how much was 888 and how much i-poker?


* I want them to publish a lessons learned report detailing lessons for the industry as they typically do for Money Laundering or software failures that disadvantage players in other UK regulated sectors.

Yes it was ipoker. My estimate would be 90% of play was on 888 and 10% on ipoker

It's good that you got 120, but I'd still be saying I lost 400, where is the rest please?

If they confiscated DW's funds then surely your entitled to a calculation of what was left in his account. I would have expected this to be much higher than 30%

The £1m was not the balances in his accounts. The £1m was basically all the assets the court could identify that he had. The suspicion is that Skrill and the sites got first dibs for the frauds against them and then there was the leftovers for some players.

The prosecutor's belief was that the total defrauded was well above the £1m but in practical terms the court could not get more.

How the money was split is very relevant, we might hope for 100% compensation but in reality that is asking a bit much. Without clarity it seems that Skrill and the sites got their money first, that their effective rake and profits on money transfers was HIGHER than if the play was 100% legitimate.

There has been no analysis that required the sites to forgo their rake generated in the dishonest games to compensate players - PS remember at the time he was a sponsored 888 pro cheating on their site!

I have asked the UKGC for clarity on this and guidance fo future compensation, they are a bit hamstrung that the events happened before i-poker and 888 were UK licenced so their powers to order more are pretty non existent, all we can hope for is guidance on how to do future compensation to players.

I have no commitment to disclose and make recomendations from the UKGC but I will persist.

If anyone else wants to contact the UKGC info@gamblingcommission.gov.uk and ask for clarity on the compensation issue then feel free. You may want to ask that a similar report to this one on a bit of Money Laundering at Coral be produced for the Woods case

http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk...%20Limited.pdf

in that case Coral had to pay UKGC costs and make donations to gambling treatment and research charities as a result of their failings.

I'm chasing the UKGC on this again.

Have there been any developments? Have i-poker still failed to compensate anyone?

Richas are you able to obtain the full verdict from somewhere?