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AK is my biggest losing hand. 10NL Rush. AK is my biggest losing hand. 10NL Rush.

10-09-2013 , 12:07 PM
I don't know how to play AK. Some people say to get it in pre flop if possible. Others dont If I miss the flop should I be calling bets and trying to hit on further streets? For example if I but villian on a medium pocket pair should I be calling a raise post flop to try and hit an A or K on further streets. Is this a maths decision? I dont know how to play AK - it is my biggest losing hand!!!
A example below:

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19874581

    BTN: $18.03 (180.3 bb)
    Hero (SB): $23.05 (230.5 bb)
    BB: $10 (100 bb)
    UTG+1: $16.72 (167.2 bb)
    UTG+2: $5 (50 bb)
    MP1: $8.70 (87 bb)
    MP2: $19.45 (194.5 bb)
    MP3: $11.66 (116.6 bb)
    CO: $4.22 (42.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K A
    2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.30, 4 folds, Hero raises to $0.80, BB folds, MP1 calls $0.50

    Flop: ($1.70) 2 4 T (2 players)
    Hero checks, MP1 bets $1.20, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $1.70 pot ($0.08 rake)
    Final Board: 2 4 T
    Hero mucked K A and lost (-$0.80 net)
    MP1 mucked and won $1.62 ($0.82 net)



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    Example 2: Villian is 6/5 over 120 hands. This is why I just call his raise.


      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #19874561

      BTN: $3.47 (34.7 bb)
      SB: $24.04 (240.4 bb)
      BB: $11.99 (119.9 bb)
      UTG+1: $13.26 (132.6 bb)
      UTG+2: $10 (100 bb)
      MP1: $10 (100 bb)
      Hero (MP2): $14.61 (146.1 bb)
      MP3: $8.10 (81 bb)
      CO: $8.22 (82.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K A
      2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, MP3 raises to $0.90, 5 folds, Hero calls $0.60

      Flop: ($2.25) 3 7 5 (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP3 bets $1.10, Hero folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: $2.25 pot ($0.10 rake)
      Final Board: 3 7 5
      Hero mucked K A and lost (-$0.90 net)
      MP3 mucked and won $2.15 ($1.25 net)



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      AK is my biggest losing hand. 10NL Rush. Quote
      10-09-2013 , 12:22 PM
      Hand 1 I feel your 3bet should be bigger. At least $0.90 but as much as $1.10. I would need to know more about the villain before deciding whether to check or bet because I feel on this board its not clear cut.

      Hand 2 I would just let go pre after the guy 3bets, I see no point in doing anything else against a guy whos range is likely to be super strong in this spot.

      There are spots to get it in pre flop but and a lot of small stakes players will advocate 3betting and getting it in but these are in games where people are actually able to 4bet bluff where as at the micros when you face a 4bet and you have AK I think it is a big mistake to stack off because of peoples 4bet ranges been so tight.
      AK is my biggest losing hand. 10NL Rush. Quote
      10-09-2013 , 02:04 PM
      Idk man just calling 3 bets with AK and not C betting the flop are big indications of misplaying Ak. AK may be a drawing hand but you should attempt to play it like u would AA or KK. Not all of the time as there will be times to play it deceptively an allow second best hands to flop TPGK, this is best to do in position so u can dictate the action and get multiple streets of value.

      So lets say in example 1 instead I your small 3bef you should make it larger(like you would if you had JJ-AA. Then c bet large on the flop, as far as double and triple barreling goes I feel at these stakes it is rarely worth running multiple street bluffs with AK high.

      In example 2 I don't like the idea o folding AK to a 3 bet In late position. I'd say you should of been the aggressor though and went and 3 bet yourself. It could of avoided the situation you got yourself in, which was being heads up OOP with AK high having no idea what the V has.
      AK is my biggest losing hand. 10NL Rush. Quote
      10-10-2013 , 06:12 AM
      Sounds like you missplay AK by a mile Tpro.

      1. Don`t auto3b AK vs almost everyone exept the uber nits. Its very often better to flat it IP vs EP/MP tags aswell. Why turn it into a bluff when the hand play extremely well IP ?

      2. Cbetting every flop is e recipe to disaster. Think about your percieved range in that spot, and their calling range before deciding to c-bet or not.

      3. Auto bet/folding every street is also a recipe to disaster. Very often you have to go with the hand in a 3bet pot, because of pot odds. And very often its a good thing vs looser/aggressive opponents.
      AK is my biggest losing hand. 10NL Rush. Quote
      10-10-2013 , 07:05 AM
      You should 3b polarized IP vs EP/MP regs with high fold to 3bets (KK+, A3s-A5s) for example), and linear vs EP/MP bad regs (JJ+AK, AQs for example), so AK is tweener hand. Trying to have a fixed GTO 3betting range instead of a exploitable 3betting range in the micro stakes is not that great.

      Last edited by Thuen88; 10-10-2013 at 07:10 AM.
      AK is my biggest losing hand. 10NL Rush. Quote
      10-10-2013 , 12:38 PM
      Hand 1:
      Villain is likely a fish given stack size do you can 3-bet bigger preflop assuming he'll fold postflop too much. And then you can cbet this flop with two overs and two back door draws.

      Hand 2: fold against nit
      AK is my biggest losing hand. 10NL Rush. Quote
      10-10-2013 , 12:42 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by tpro86
      I was trying to make some guidelines for it. I 3bet it (almost) all the time, because i 3 bet a pretty wide range and if i didnt 3 bet it then i would be polarizing my 3bet range to nuts or nothing. I've had this debate before about the 3bet pre, i like it with this hand others don't.
      Again the c-betting, well that comes from a decent 3bet range, again i say almost every flop, depending on villan and board texture, but i would say most of the time.
      Bet/fold is a default i use with tptk, i don't stick to it religiously but in zoom/rush its good to have a sort of default because reads/stats are at a premium and you are often up against unknowns.
      You say you 3bet quite wide well that makes at least part of your 3bet range FOS and you must be cbetting that range far too wide.
      AK is my biggest losing hand. 10NL Rush. Quote
      10-11-2013 , 10:05 AM
      GTO means Game theory optimal (the perfect unexploitable gameplan)

      Basicly playing GTO lower than mid stakes is a mistake.

      What i mean by playing exploitable is when you exploit someone based on reads and stats you become exploitable yourself, and therefore you`re playing an exploitable game. But no one is good enough to exploit you enough in mid-low to microstakes anyway, so exploitable play is more +ev.
      AK is my biggest losing hand. 10NL Rush. Quote

            
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