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06-21-2022 , 12:43 PM
PokerStars - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: 106.5 BB
SB: 129.5 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 124 BB
MP: 220 BB
Hero (CO): 107 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, SB calls 1.5 BB, fold

Flop: (5 BB, 2 players) T 5 7
SB checks, Hero bets 2.5 BB, SB raises to 6 BB, Hero calls 3.5 BB

Turn: (17 BB, 2 players) 5
SB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

River: (25 BB, 2 players) K
SB bets 10 BB, fold

SB wins 24 BB

FLOP
V's range is built around broadways and pocket pairs. Global stats are 3b: 7% and coldcall: 9%. V has range advantage. I think I should bet polarized here. I should have bet bigger. X/r is very rare. Population x/r flop only 5%. They mostly x/r sets. Maybe he could raise like ATo, KT, QT.

TURN
I get very cheap price to call. 5 makes him less likely to have 55.

RIVER
Tx would maybe slow down on K. Flop check-raises and river donk bets are quite strong, therefore I folded.
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06-21-2022 , 01:28 PM
Major mistake not calling here.
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06-21-2022 , 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Herbbb
Major mistake not calling here.
Nice opinion. What's your thought process behind that?
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06-21-2022 , 04:24 PM
We are getting 3.5/1 and only really lose to 6 combos of TT that didnt 3b pre and 77.

Id probably raise turn vs this sizing.
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06-21-2022 , 04:45 PM
Villain could still have not only suited but offsuit combos of 98, as well as 86s and 64s, and for this sizing could even be valuebetting stuff like AT or KT. It's a pretty easy call on the river. Whether to raise turn or not is indeed the interesting question in this hand (tho fwiw you have the worst suits of AA for it). Also idk why you mentioned river donk bets, villain has had the betting lead since checkraising the flop so its not a donkbet, he's pretty much blockbet two streets in a row now.
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06-21-2022 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by kutawikucu

V has range advantage.

They mostly x/r sets. Maybe he could raise like ATo, KT, QT.

TURN
I get very cheap price to call. 5 makes him less likely to have 55.

RIVER
Flop check-raises and river donk bets are quite strong, therefore I folded.
I've picked out a few things from the OP that I take issue with.

I'll start by admitting I really struggle to pinpoint a SB calling range. I find CO/button ranges easier to comprehend, perhaps that's because I personally don't mind calling in position but hate it from the SB.

So I'm not sure what the SB range is here. But does he have range advantage? This board isn't 789. Is SB not 3betting TT? And apart from 75s, what 2 pair does he have? It favours him in that he can have a LOT of top pair hands, but you have all the overpairs as well as all the sets, so I'm not sure you have any disadvantage range wise.

C/R meant sets only a few years ago. The majority of players are check raising with a lot more than that these days; admittedly there aren't many obvious draws other than 98.

You do get a very cheap price to call, it's true. And with few draws on the board calling can't be terrible, but it's definitely a "safe" option. That brings in your other point, which is very valid: it cuts down on sets (and 75s), which might make you more inclined to raise (particularly if you think he mostly 3bets TT preflop). Raising feels like a good adventurous play here, although calling is fine. SB bet size screams weakness with something like AT. I hope your wording "I get a cheap price to call" doesn't imply that you were considering folding here.

The river fold is grotesquely awful. This isn't a river donk bet, it's a barrel after the check-raise. I would expect you to be ahead here more often than not (AT and KT can still feature heavily) but the price you're getting is incredible and you are winning far, far, far more often than you need to justify calling here
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06-22-2022 , 05:50 AM
My 2 cents. Its going to be really hard to construct a SB calling range against a min raise open. For me personally Im calling pretty much any two decent looking cards in this spot if I don't think the BB is going to be getting out of line. If I see that you cbet a ton then I am also going to play back at you a lot with any back doors or pieces of the board and I am not bothered that the board is so dry because I know your range is weak and can't stand heat most of the time.

So putting that perspective on the hand, re-raising the flop really only makes me continue with the very top of my range which probably looks like sets and possibly 89. I presume on a re-raise you can at least beat top pair decent kicker and we know my better Tx probably is part of my 3bet range against a 2BB open. So that said I don't like re-raising the flop and forcing the villain to play the top of his range. On that note though if there is any indication that the villain is somewhat fishy and can't fold top pair then we can look to get it in.

Against a decent looking player though we want to keep his bluffs in so I like a flat call on the flop, Im not actually happy that the board pairs but after calling the flop I am sticking with my plan to call down.
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06-22-2022 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by JamAdebayo
Villain could still have not only suited but offsuit combos of 98, as well as 86s and 64s, and for this sizing could even be valuebetting stuff like AT or KT. It's a pretty easy call on the river. Whether to raise turn or not is indeed the interesting question in this hand (tho fwiw you have the worst suits of AA for it). Also idk why you mentioned river donk bets, villain has had the betting lead since checkraising the flop so its not a donkbet, he's pretty much blockbet two streets in a row now.
I don't think player pool raises draws as it should. Maybe I just overfold in these spots when, V flop donkbets or x/r, because most of the time I find myself beat.
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06-22-2022 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by moxterite
I've picked out a few things from the OP that I take issue with.

So I'm not sure what the SB range is here.

C/R meant sets only a few years ago. The majority of players are check raising with a lot more than that these days; admittedly there aren't many obvious draws other than 98.

SB bet size screams weakness with something like AT. I hope your wording "I get a cheap price to call" doesn't imply that you were considering folding here.

The river fold is grotesquely awful. This isn't a river donk bet, it's a barrel after the check-raise. I would expect you to be ahead here more often than not (AT and KT can still feature heavily) but the price you're getting is incredible and you are winning far, far, far more often than you need to justify calling here
He has a slight range advantage, but yes not big.

People are still tight with x/r, if they weren't the stat would be higher.

I didn't even think about raising turn. Yes, small size could mean weakness, but at the other hand he could be milking.

Maybe I just overfold in these spots. They do sometimes run bluffs. But pool tends to be very passive, raising postflop is rare.
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