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01-20-2024 , 03:22 PM
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($250.69) [VPIP: 28.9% | PFR: 24.1% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.8% | Turn Agg: 33.8% | River Agg: 36.9% | 3Bet: 11.6% | 4Bet: 14.2% | Hands: 309144]
SB ($200) [VPIP: 21.3% | PFR: 21.3% | AGG: 90.9% | Hands: 48]
BB ($298.15) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 17.9% | AGG: 30.8% | Flop Agg: 33.3% | Turn Agg: 25% | River Agg: 33.3% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 15.4% | Hands: 28]
UTG ($360.17) [VPIP: 20.4% | PFR: 16.3% | AGG: 63.6% | Hands: 52]
HJ ($200) [VPIP: 21.1% | PFR: 15.8% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 19]
CO ($345.36) [VPIP: 39% | PFR: 24.4% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 41]

Dealt to Hero: A A

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $4, SB Folds, BB Calls $2

Hero SPR on Flop: [16.3 effective]
Flop ($9): 8 5 T
BB Checks, HERO Bets $6.41 (Rem. Stack: $240.28), BB Calls $6.41 (Rem. Stack: $287.74)

Turn ($21.82): 8 5 T 9
BB Checks, HERO Checks

River ($21.82): 8 5 T 9 K
BB Checks, HERO Bets $15.55 (Rem. Stack: $224.73), BB Raises To $62.20 (Rem. Stack: $225.54), HERO ?
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01-20-2024 , 04:25 PM
Did the 9 change suit between turn and river?
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01-20-2024 , 04:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreatMorty
Did the 9 change suit between turn and river?
It's DDP magic... guy is powerful at the tables.

Just means he's BB probably and not hero.
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01-20-2024 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
It's DDP magic... guy is powerful at the tables.

Just means he's BB probably and not hero.
No I was HERO I messed up the trying to alter the HH because in a solver AA checks back (but you shouldn't in practice) and I wanted to avoid that discussion and focus on the river XR.

Assume it's the 9
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01-20-2024 , 04:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GreatMorty
Did the 9 change suit between turn and river?
lol my bad
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01-20-2024 , 04:57 PM
Not calling.
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01-20-2024 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by AskZandar
Not calling.
1 vote for fold.
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01-20-2024 , 07:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
No I was HERO I messed up the trying to alter the HH because in a solver AA checks back (but you shouldn't in practice) and I wanted to avoid that discussion and focus on the river XR.

Assume it's the 9
Makes sense.

I'm in the fold camp too, but the 9s makes it closer than 9d.
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01-20-2024 , 08:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FreakDaddy
Makes sense.

I'm in the fold camp too, but the 9s makes it closer than 9d.
Interesting, maybe I'll just put the original HH. I was trying to get too cute by altering it. Solver 100% X's back river but I refuse to believe that is the highest EV line.

Stupid Bovada won't let me reload lol.

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($150.69) [VPIP: 28.9% | PFR: 24.1% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.8% | Turn Agg: 33.8% | River Agg: 36.9% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 14.2% | Hands: 309259]
SB ($200) [VPIP: 21.3% | PFR: 21.3% | AGG: 90.9% | Hands: 48]
BB ($298.15) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 17.9% | AGG: 30.8% | Flop Agg: 33.3% | Turn Agg: 25% | River Agg: 33.3% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 15.4% | Hands: 28]
UTG ($360.17) [VPIP: 20.4% | PFR: 16.3% | AGG: 63.6% | Hands: 52]
HJ ($200) [VPIP: 21.1% | PFR: 15.8% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 19]
CO ($345.36) [VPIP: 39% | PFR: 24.4% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 41]

Dealt to Hero: A A

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $4, SB Folds, BB Calls $2

Hero SPR on Flop: [16.3 effective]
Flop ($9): 8 5 T
BB Checks, HERO Bets $6.41 (Rem. Stack: $140.28), BB Calls $6.41 (Rem. Stack: $287.74)

Turn ($21.82): 8 5 T 9
BB Checks, HERO Checks

River ($21.82): 8 5 T 9 K
BB Checks, HERO Bets $15.55 (Rem. Stack: $124.73), BB Raises To $62.20 (Rem. Stack: $225.54), HERO ?
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01-20-2024 , 08:05 PM
Seems pretty strong to me. I imagine we'd prefer to call KQ or KJ if we do.
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01-20-2024 , 09:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Interesting, maybe I'll just put the original HH. I was trying to get too cute by altering it. Solver 100% X's back river but I refuse to believe that is the highest EV line.

Stupid Bovada won't let me reload lol.

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($150.69) [VPIP: 28.9% | PFR: 24.1% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.8% | Turn Agg: 33.8% | River Agg: 36.9% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 14.2% | Hands: 309259]
SB ($200) [VPIP: 21.3% | PFR: 21.3% | AGG: 90.9% | Hands: 48]
BB ($298.15) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 17.9% | AGG: 30.8% | Flop Agg: 33.3% | Turn Agg: 25% | River Agg: 33.3% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 15.4% | Hands: 28]
UTG ($360.17) [VPIP: 20.4% | PFR: 16.3% | AGG: 63.6% | Hands: 52]
HJ ($200) [VPIP: 21.1% | PFR: 15.8% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 19]
CO ($345.36) [VPIP: 39% | PFR: 24.4% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 41]

Dealt to Hero: A A

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $4, SB Folds, BB Calls $2

Hero SPR on Flop: [16.3 effective]
Flop ($9): 8 5 T
BB Checks, HERO Bets $6.41 (Rem. Stack: $140.28), BB Calls $6.41 (Rem. Stack: $287.74)

Turn ($21.82): 8 5 T 9
BB Checks, HERO Checks

River ($21.82): 8 5 T 9 K
BB Checks, HERO Bets $15.55 (Rem. Stack: $124.73), BB Raises To $62.20 (Rem. Stack: $225.54), HERO ?
Too many 2p, straights, flushes.
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01-20-2024 , 09:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AskZandar
Too many 2p, straights, flushes.
Don't think 2 pair ever does this, and straights rarely.
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01-20-2024 , 09:40 PM
Im confused. So in actuality you had the red aces and not the black ones?
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01-20-2024 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by YanasaurBBQ
Im confused. So in actuality you had the red aces and not the black ones?
yeah i tried to make it so the Aces were mixed OTR and not pure checked back like a solver would do because I wanted the emphasis to be on the river XR and not people saying "Check back Aces OTR!."

I botched it
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01-20-2024 , 10:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Don't think 2 pair ever does this, and straights rarely.
No I meant there are too many of those to be able to bet the black aces in the first HH.
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01-20-2024 , 10:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
yeah i tried to make it so the Aces were mixed OTR and not pure checked back like a solver would do because I wanted the emphasis to be on the river XR and not people saying "Check back Aces OTR!."

I botched it
I gotcha. Well i think they only XR a flush on the river and might not XR all of them, and we have the ace, so theres not too many hands that actually beat us. I could flick in the call thinking about it now but I dont know if I could in game if im being honest.
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01-20-2024 , 10:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AskZandar
No I meant there are too many of those to be able to bet the black aces in the first HH.
Oh okay my bad, yeah the 2 HH is really messing up the analysis.
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01-20-2024 , 11:25 PM
Maybe you should check river xD

Regs would legit check bunch of strong hands on this river expecting you to bet all air and go for thin value. I think it's a fold, but yeah if he is good he can raise bunch of 9x as a bluff and have a lot of value too.
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01-21-2024 , 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
Maybe you should check river xD

Regs would legit check bunch of strong hands on this river expecting you to bet all air and go for thin value. I think it's a fold, but yeah if he is good he can raise bunch of 9x as a bluff and have a lot of value too.
lol

Yeah I think that would be a sick play to xr lighter for value here as BB but don't think most 200nl regs are good enough for that. I actually think this river is overbluffed even vs B75 BUvsBB, going to get data on it but I did end up calling with the AdAx here.
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01-21-2024 , 06:07 AM
easy to overbluff with a lot of pair + blocker hands
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01-28-2024 , 09:24 AM
Quote:
Too many 2p, straights, flushes.
This somewhat. unless dealing with weak player. Did I read the hand history correctly, you only raised 2x BB pre?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
Don't think 2 pair ever does this, and straights rarely.
Actually, they do (hence the weaker player) though position would do this as well. Along with the bluff. IMO.
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01-28-2024 , 10:44 AM
What was the result?
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01-28-2024 , 11:28 AM
Really no point in betting this river unless you have a specific read on the villain. They will never call worse on a runout like this and can x/r you at their will. On the flip side - a lot of BB's diamonds here are combo draws so I wonder if he'd x/r the flop making his range more bluff heavy on the river here. I also think these type of lines get raised alot OTR these days when your opponent knows he's behind and has no other option.
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01-28-2024 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by YanasaurBBQ
What was the result?
Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD 2 Poker Tracking Software

NL Holdem 2(BB)
HERO ($150.69) [VPIP: 29% | PFR: 24.1% | AGG: 36.7% | Flop Agg: 41.7% | Turn Agg: 33.8% | River Agg: 37% | 3Bet: 11.5% | 4Bet: 14.2% | Hands: 313675]
SB ($200) [VPIP: 21.3% | PFR: 21.3% | AGG: 90.9% | Hands: 48]
BB ($298.15) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 17.9% | AGG: 30.8% | Flop Agg: 33.3% | Turn Agg: 25% | River Agg: 33.3% | 3Bet: 0% | 4Bet: 0% | Cold Call: 15.4% | Hands: 28]
UTG ($360.17) [VPIP: 20.4% | PFR: 16.3% | AGG: 63.6% | Hands: 52]
HJ ($200) [VPIP: 21.1% | PFR: 15.8% | AGG: 0% | Hands: 19]
CO ($345.36) [VPIP: 39% | PFR: 24.4% | AGG: 50% | Hands: 41]

Dealt to Hero: A A

UTG Folds, HJ Folds, CO Folds, HERO Raises To $4, SB Folds, BB Calls $2

Hero SPR on Flop: [16.3 effective]
Flop ($9): 8 5 T
BB Checks, HERO Bets $6.41 (Rem. Stack: $140.28), BB Calls $6.41 (Rem. Stack: $287.74)

Turn ($21.82): 8 5 T 9
BB Checks, HERO Checks

River ($21.82): 8 5 T 9 K
BB Checks, HERO Bets $15.55 (Rem. Stack: $124.73), BB Raises To $62.20 (Rem. Stack: $225.54), HERO Calls $46.65 (Rem. Stack: $78.08)

Spoiler:

BB shows: 9 J

HERO wins: $142.22
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