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11-20-2008 , 02:32 PM
I've been playing for a while but have only recently began trying to anylize and improve my game. (Thanks 2+2 I've learned far more here than in any of the books I have read. This forum is second to none.)

When I first started playing I used the pot button almost exclusively when I would Cbet. This wasn't working for me. I noticed, the better players were betting 2/3-3/4 the pot. I began to mimic this and soon after noticed an improvement on my winrate. I think I understand why now. Would you tell me if my reasoning is correct.

The 2/3-3/4 size pot bets work because worse hands will call. When I was making pot size bets, the only people calling me had better hands.

If this is correct, under what conditions would you make a 1/2 or 2x pot bet? Does the reasoning change on the turn and river?
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11-20-2008 , 02:40 PM
And the fact that if you're betting 2/3 pot rather than full pot, your opponent has to fold less often to make the same profit, so assuming they fold (roughly) the same amount to both bet sizes, you make more moneyz
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11-20-2008 , 02:43 PM
So why not bet 1/2? Is it going to encourage too many drawers?
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11-20-2008 , 02:58 PM
For me its all about finding a comprimise between the two extremes, you want to keep the profitability, but 1/2 pot normally won't carry as much fear-factor to a donk, if that makes sense.
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11-20-2008 , 03:00 PM
It's better to vary your cbet size with board texture and opponents. You can get away with cbetting a little less again fish because the bet sizing doesn't really phase them as much as if their hand connecting and just the fact that you're betting. When the board is drawier you want to be cbetting more to charge out draws. On dry boards you can cbet less because there are less probable hands that connected with it.
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11-20-2008 , 03:18 PM
I think of a cbet as a continuation of your preflop aggression when you likely DO NOT have the best hand. When you do likely have the best hand you are making a value bet.

So you are trying to take the pot down with a cbet. To do that, you should bet the minimum amount required to achieve that. The amount you bet depends on board texture and players.

One extreme would be a dry board like K72r against a weak tight player. Here both the board texture and player type allow you to bet less. If you make more than a 1/2 pot bet You probably aren't getting called by anything less than KJ. A 1/3 pot bet may even work because he's probably folding QQ-22.

The other extreme would be a wet board like Js9s8h against a loose passive player. Here you probably shouldn't cbet at all because you are getting called so often.

For all of the spots in between you are using your judgement of board texture and player types to choose a bet size in order to take the pot down. In my opinion board texture is a little more important factor. Maybe 60% board texture and 40% player type.

A simple way to look at it is to just make your cbets the same size as your value bets. If I seen a K72r board, I'm betting 2/3 pot whether I have AQ or AK when I do bet. But I'm also checking AK sometimes since it is a monster on that board.

Last edited by el_grande; 11-20-2008 at 03:24 PM.
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11-20-2008 , 03:56 PM
against bad players who won't adapt to your bet sizing you can bet 1/2 pot when you have nothing and want to take it down without putting too much in.

Against calling stations/loose passives etc you can bet 3/4-pot with your bigger hands for value

2/3 is generally a good size against regs and doesn't really give away the strength of your hand as being a monster or just a cbet.

and against spastic players you can bet like 1/3 or 1/4 pot to try to induce bluffs those are always fun
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