Hello everyone my name is James and this is my 1st post on 2 + 2 .I have been looking for anybody to talk to about push/fold poker tables on 888 poker ...I am currently playing 2/4($20 BI) and 3/6 ($30 BI).I do believe that 888 poker is the only site which offers these types of cash games (5 BB Buyins)?Would love to talk about EV in these games and green /red lines and how they should be interpreted...

Thanks for any and all replies,
James

They should be removed.

That will be the common stance here almost certainly.

Ask Dooshcom.

sorry collusion isnt an option right now lol

winning money post rake will be impossible I am pretty sure

You're obviously taking the piss

+1

very easy to find a strategy for this game. and if it can win, despite the rake, I'm sure that this game is full of bots.

Ok so over 14k hands of 2/4 3/6 and 5/10 i have total profit=1800 + rakeback(player points which can be converted to cash)= 1150 ....so in total $2950.

I did not play optimally . I made mistakes. I went on tilt a few times when i started to run bad(and i did run terrible)

But the standard of player in these games is shocking.These tables attract all the recreational players who just want to have fun...they stack off for the 5 big blinds with any 2 it doesnt matter to them ....

I have played 450 hands @ 5/10 with Tyler Bonkowski(bonkman_5)....i really dont think he would bother sitting at a 5/10 table unless he had a massive edge(He is a Poker god after all)and he wasnt just blowing off steam having fun btw he played like 24/16 over 400 hands and made 600$...

So what im saying is that i cant understand why there isnt any videos/articles regarding this type of game.I mean Cap on Pokerstars is considered a valid form so why not push/fold?

Since it eats all the edge away even against weak regulars, the rake is awful, a high chance of collusion, most decisions are automatic, short stackers have a definite edge and with 5bb, it's ridicilously easy to solve the whole game, the variance is tilt-inducing etc.

Need to go on?

JIMMERZZZ
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 4

I dont buy it. Suddenly out of a new player who crushes these games show up and is asking for advice?! Imo OP has developed a winning strategy(colluding, botting etc) and now is trying to attract more players.

+1 to above lol,pretty obv

OK who/what are u referring to when u say OP? Thank you

Am "crushing?"I never said i was crushing lol.The opposite infact. Like i said i ddnt play very well at all ...yet still a profit plus rakeback. I didnt run well either according to HM2.

To throw a few names in of 10/20 -15/30 regs at push/fold:

GhenaDawoud(mtt crusher)
Monsteruggla(mtt crusher)
Maher43(Av stake 135 av profit 80 games played 272 total profit 21k)....
maher43 i have watched a lot.he has taken shots at 50/100 ...he crushes these games.

All these guys crush in their own way grinding mtts so why on earth would they play these games...???Answer: because they are profitable...

I dont want to mention any names but i know 2 regs at 5/10 who have lost 300k between them in 2011. they openly admit it. they have fun playing push fold because they can win sometimes.they will never win a 1000 player mtt....they know that... we know that.

People have preconceived notions and dont want to change their views.As a poker player are we not encouraged to explore all possibilities?
But i guess if and when these games finally do get some attention they will be filled by regs and there will be no profit to be made.

If you can handle massive variance and tableselect this could definitely profitable
Guess playing 2-4 and 3-6 isn't smart though cause of rake

These games are made to draw fish from regular tables and rake them to death instead of letting us regs feed on them.

there are ppl winning in these games, but they should still be removed

Only an idiot would want to improve at a game on a site that has yet to responsibly punish an outted colluder/scammer that crushed this very game.

Either that, or you are a colluder/scammer yourself knowing that 888 won't punish you same way it hasn't punished DOOSHDOTCOM.

I guess they hand out degrees in economics and mathematical sciences to idiots these days.....Who'd have thunk it?

I play poker to make money.

My roi in mtts is 76% over 1100 games @10-20$ buy in mtts

This "idiot" happens to know that push/fold games are profitable.I never mentioned collusion in these games....as long as i keep making money i dont give a s**t.

I would love to hear some advice from somebody who actually plays these games.

Looks like your the only one. TBH those games are ******ed, but play them if you must. If you can get deeper vs a fish then maybe youll be able to have an edge, but other than that gl vs the rake.

If you're really a 76% ROI at MTTs then you don't need us to work out the way to beat 5bb push/fold games since the math involved in that is much simpler than 20bb shove/reshove ranges in MTTs.

I guess shills be shillin till the cows come home

Obv correct in theory, but you can never imagine how many fish play these games, and how many blatant mistakes are made when stakes get a bit deeper.

"If you're really a 76% ROI at MTTs then you don't need us to work out the way to beat 5bb push/fold games since the math involved in that is much simpler than 20bb shove/reshove ranges in MTTs."

This is completely inaccurate.Profit in push/fold comes from going deep and winning big pots vs fish.5bb is a starting point...

over 11k hands my showdown winnings were like 5k...
my non showdown was down like 3.8k....

so obviously:1: i am playing tighter than most players surrendering my blinds more easily and 2:i must be giving up a lot on the flop and turn when deeper than 10bb( anything less and its all in preflop[duh]).

So im wondering if its possible to decrease my non showdown losses without affecting my showdown winnings?

couldn't be further from the truth, people play terrible at the push/fold games, tons of people play to just gamble and end up open shoving every hand.

although variance is insane decent winrates are possible post rake