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74s Blind Battle 74s Blind Battle

06-01-2023 , 07:43 PM
$0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

BTN: $15.91 (159.1 bb)
SB: $13.26 (132.6 bb)
Hero (BB): $10.96 (109.6 bb)
UTG: $26.46 (264.6 bb)
MP: $22.22 (222.2 bb)
CO: $21.11 (211.1 bb)


Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 4 7
4 folds, SB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60, 2 players) T 5 J
SB checks, Hero bets $0.39, SB calls $0.39

Turn: ($1.38, 2 players) A
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($1.38, 2 players) A
SB bets $0.45, Hero folds

No information about the opponent.

Flop: Should you bet in BB vs. SB with equity on the flop after Villain checks?

Turn: Is this a good card for us to barrel on?
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06-02-2023 , 01:49 AM
I would rather 3bet than call this pre, if I chose to play it at all. It's very difficult to navigate the various board structures against a cbet, barreling even more so. You typically either flop nothing or when you flop something, it' either a weak pair or a weak draw. Monster flops are rare, and against an SB open it's unlikely that the opponent has a hand that will play for stacks, so the monster is wasted.

However, if you choose to just call pre, you should play it super aggressively postflop. If the opponent checks, make a big bet regardless of the flop. And if the opponent cbets, raise very often even when you completely miss. SB is very unlikely to have a great hand here, abuse that knowledge and bluff. You can't really call with 74s because of some rather questionable implied odds, you call it because the opponent is likely to fold against aggression postflop.

As played, the flop bet is mandatory with no SDV but decent equity. I wouldn't barrel the turn but take the free card. Opponent obv has something when he check calls the flop. That something could be the nut flush draw which made top pair now, KQ, various 2 pairs etc. The ace helps him more than you IMO. You can't really rep much either, as most sets would had 3-bet preflop, and many other hands as well that benefit from that board structure. I doubt you'll have much fold equity here either.
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06-02-2023 , 01:00 PM
imo just WP
We can attack some turns, just not this one, flop already is not great and turn is worst in deck, river caps us even more and allows villain shitload of thin valubets where we cant do anything, so give up
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06-02-2023 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Barfunkel
I would rather 3bet than call this pre, if I chose to play it at all. It's very difficult to navigate the various board structures against a cbet, barreling even more so. You typically either flop nothing or when you flop something, it' either a weak pair or a weak draw. Monster flops are rare, and against an SB open it's unlikely that the opponent has a hand that will play for stacks, so the monster is wasted.

However, if you choose to just call pre, you should play it super aggressively postflop. If the opponent checks, make a big bet regardless of the flop. And if the opponent cbets, raise very often even when you completely miss. SB is very unlikely to have a great hand here, abuse that knowledge and bluff. You can't really call with 74s because of some rather questionable implied odds, you call it because the opponent is likely to fold against aggression postflop.

As played, the flop bet is mandatory with no SDV but decent equity. I wouldn't barrel the turn but take the free card. Opponent obv has something when he check calls the flop. That something could be the nut flush draw which made top pair now, KQ, various 2 pairs etc. The ace helps him more than you IMO. You can't really rep much either, as most sets would had 3-bet preflop, and many other hands as well that benefit from that board structure. I doubt you'll have much fold equity here either.
I think you’re pretty spot on about post, but I disagree about pre

Generally speaking pre should just be a pure call, suited 3 gappers are the absolute bottom of our calling range vs SB 3x with micro stakes rake

Technically with 10nl take you prob just wanna pure fold pre from an absolute EV perspective since 10nl rake is the worst, but given that at higher stakes it’s such an easy pure call, I think it’s better to just pure call here. It makes it easier to learn ranges for higher stakes if your intention is to move up, since the absolute EV loss is minimum in a vacuum, and might even be +EV if your opponents are making enough mistakes

Flopping weak pairs and weak draws is not necessarily a bad thing, we’re not required to pile money in the pot. We don’t even really want to aggressively bet when checked to or raise the flop much with this hand in theory. The great thing about being in position is we have a greater ability to realize equity without needing to put more money in the pot, which is part of the reason that it’s perfectly fine, if not actually preferable to take more passive actions on pre and flop with this hand

It’s totally fine to bet this hand OTF, and OP chose a great sizing - we shouldn’t be doing a ton of betting theorywise, so we want to go bigger with our few nutted hands and good draws (and consequently, our bluffs as well). Betting probably performs better in practice, since your average 10nl player is going to be absolutely horrendous at balancing their ranges in any spot

So I think you played it well OP, nh
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06-02-2023 , 02:22 PM
I suspect this hand may mix bet/check in theory, but in practice betting is going to be significantly better because people aren't protecting their checking ranges very well so the fold equity is going to be higher than it should be.

Every street looks WP to me.
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06-08-2023 , 03:37 PM
Thanks guys!
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06-08-2023 , 06:24 PM
I like betting turn more with the idea of betting most river. You can get folds form Tx Jx ott and weaker pairs.
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06-08-2023 , 06:38 PM
Stab flop with all ur strong Qhigh+ fds and x/ the rest and u want to stab selectively on this texture and use overbets.
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