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04-23-2008 , 06:31 PM

Scaramouche

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Villain is 20/15 and probably not so aggro as other regs. We don't have any history.

Value bet this river? C/C? C/F?

Button ($1200.74)
SB Hero ($1372.00)
BB ($600.00)
UTG ($638.00)
UTG+1 ($628.00)

Preflop: Hero is in the SB with 7

2 folds, Button raises to 18.00, Hero raises to 63.00, 1 fold, Button calls 48.00.

Flop (138.00) J

Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn (138.00) 7

Hero bets 102.00, Button calls 102.00.

River (342.00) 5

Hero ?

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04-23-2008 , 06:34 PM

c_hoop

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c/f? i don't really see him v-betting much worse or bluffing too often given description.

and also, this: "Villain is 20/15 and probably not so aggro as other regs. We don't have any history" is good reason to not 3bet him light, especially oop.

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04-23-2008 , 06:38 PM

Ryanb9

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am i ******ed for thinking b/f?

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04-23-2008 , 06:42 PM

Eddi

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b/f or c/f. Also, why are you not c-betting?

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04-23-2008 , 06:46 PM

c_hoop

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Originally Posted by Ryanb9

am i ******ed for thinking b/f?

nope

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04-23-2008 , 06:46 PM

Ryanb9

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Originally Posted by Eddi

why are you not c-betting?

first thing i thought as well

i think i like b/f better b/c u dint cbet

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04-23-2008 , 07:00 PM

Scaramouche

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I didn't cbet because I cant stand a raise and I want to see the turn. Is this wrong?

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04-23-2008 , 07:01 PM

Ryanb9

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Originally Posted by Scaramouche

I didn't cbet because I cant stand a raise and I want to see the turn. Is this wrong?

yes

your reasoning for not cbetting should be "it was a -ev cbet" not "i want to see the turn"

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04-23-2008 , 07:03 PM

Eddi

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Originally Posted by Scaramouche

I didn't cbet because I cant stand a raise and I want to see the turn. Is this wrong?

There are basically no hands in his range that can raise you, so I wouldn't worry about that. For all he knows you've got AK.

So it's good to c-bet then because you will fold out most of his hands (and he should be calling PF pretty wide given that you're deep). If he doesn't fold, you have outs.

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04-23-2008 , 07:09 PM

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Scaramouche

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I think this is a bad flop for a cbet because he'll call very often and sometimes he'll raise. I don't think I have enough FE, so I opted to ckeck.
And I want to see a turn

Is this better?

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04-23-2008 , 07:16 PM

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Scaramouche

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Originally Posted by Eddi

He can have AK , a set , 89, 2 pair etc. If he called with 66 I don't think he'll bet this flop and I can take it down on the turn.
Also he may check behind a lot of his marginal hands and I'll have my free card

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04-23-2008 , 07:21 PM

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Eddi

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Originally Posted by Scaramouche

You don't want a free card, you want the pot.

I don't think anything besides AK (and a bluff) raises that flop, because AK is such a big part of YOUR range and if you shove/rr, he should know that he's screwed, especially deep.

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04-23-2008 , 07:23 PM

#13

Praetor

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such an easy bf

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04-23-2008 , 07:26 PM

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Scaramouche

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I understand your point. He won't raise this flop very often, but he will fold often enough to make a cbet profitable?

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04-23-2008 , 07:32 PM

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Eddi

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Originally Posted by Scaramouche

I understand your point. He won't raise this flop very often, but he will fold often enough to make a cbet profitable?

yes

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05-07-2008 , 03:46 AM

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Gr8erThanGr8

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def b/f here, he's gonna be throwing away a lot pockets that are entirely in his range and this is where you get value from a hand like 57s. even if he does call with a hand like JK or something you know you'll have outs most of the time. turn bet is awful too here, after you checked the flop imo. plus you're outta position, so this hand doesn't have very much value especially without any history with this player.

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05-07-2008 , 03:58 AM

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SheepSuit

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i would bet/fold the flop if called maybe crai on turn folding out such a huge amount of his range it's sick

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05-07-2008 , 04:21 AM

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smartalecc5

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i bet riv here, ur good like 90% of the time... leaning towards towards b/c

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05-07-2008 , 08:00 AM

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DrazzicEhv

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b/f the river.

I think not betting the flop is ok

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05-07-2008 , 11:08 AM

#20

StatusBaller

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is c/c way too weak here?

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05-07-2008 , 11:16 AM

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FionnMac

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msnl has gone to ****, of course b/f

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05-07-2008 , 11:23 AM

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$upermad4it

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Originally Posted by SheepSuit

i would bet/fold the flop if called maybe crai on turn folding out such a huge amount of his range it's sick

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