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03-28-2021 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by aner0
He's not losing to any bluffs if villain has at least 2 neurons, my issue with it is i feel its too loose on earlier streets and river blockers are kinda bad.

But with an exploitative read this hand is completely normal
What.
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03-28-2021 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by aner0
you have a **** ton of draws for that, also KQ would have SDV there and itd be a clear check


Good look.

I guess KQ is kinda just SDV city
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03-29-2021 , 05:35 AM
You are calling way too wide if you call this river
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03-29-2021 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by kolotoure2.0
You are calling way too wide if you call this river
I agree.
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Originally Posted by pjj
I think you want to be careful with this line. Effectively, you are bluff catching on 3 streets with K high. He could easily be betting the flop with suited Aces with bdfd, and then continue on turn and river with those Axhh. So, you're behind some credible bluffs, which isn't great for a bluff catcher. Dunno if this type of bluff is something you'd see in your player pool.

Villain could just be bluffing with his straight draws, in which case you're ahead of his bluffs, but you block some of those. However, I feel like you will have a huge amount of potential bluff catchers in this case (basically any Ax, which you should have just about all suited and offsuit versions of+any small to mid pp+any 8x+low Tx), and you cannot call all of them without being hugely exploitable. If you're calling with all of your hands which beat villain's bluff range (assuming it is only straight draws, so at best Q high), he can value bet 33 for 3 streets, maybe even some Ax hands. On top of that, your specific combo of KQo is one of the worst to call. You block Q high straight draws, as well as backdoor clubs and heart FD. Of all KQ to bluff catch with, KQss is the best, and any with a heart (esp. Qh) isn't quite so great, as the Qh and Jh are the cards you most want villain to have.

Then, the next consideration is villain's value range, which isn't quite well defined. I think this is a good aspect of your reasoning here. I think T8s, and maybe T8o as well. 88 and 22 as well, but that's only 4 combos. T2s is credible, but that's only 2 combos. Then, there may be a few 2x in his range which he raised flop with. Maybe A2s (even A2o), maybe also 32s, 42s, 52s, 62s. There aren't many combos of those, and I imagine most villains won't be calling those pre or raising flop with them, so I'd heavily discount those. That leaves a decent amount of Tx. I'd imagine he's calling all of those offsuit versions down to T9o pre. Can't see him going for 3 streets of value with less than KT, but probably not less than AT. So, I feel like when bluff catching, you would prefer to have a hand which blocks some value bets (e.g. 8x blocking 2 pairs, Ax blocking AT and A2) and/or unblocks some bluffs (you don't want a h, don't want in this order 9>J>Q>7>6).

Overall, I feel like you will have so many better bluff catching hands in your range that even if villain's range is too bluff heavy, your calling range will be too wide. Basically, all your pp 33-77 (maybe even 99), all your Ax which don't have a heart, then all your Ax which have one heart, then all your KQ which don't have a heart, then all your KhQx (not heart for the queen). Effectively, I think you'll be looking at having over 100 better calling combos here.

Overall, I like the idea of calling down light when villain is repping such a small value range and could have such a wide variety of hands which might want to bluff, esp otr, but I feel like you will have so many better hands to call with. You may have got it right this time (or not), but I don't think this will be a profitable long term play. Especially if villains at the table made notes about this hand.
Very good post mate.

I have to agree with the concensus that you made a very optimistic call on the river OP.
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03-29-2021 , 11:50 AM
Thanks for the comments y’all, I think A hi is the better call down. Just felt like his NAR was whacked and I was pretty high intensity in the moment.

Workout out this time he has QJs

I’m opening the door for counter exploitation for sure tho.
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03-29-2021 , 12:27 PM
Like Anero said it could be a river call as an exploit but asking if it was a cooler in the OP was pretty funny.
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03-29-2021 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
Like Anero said it could be a river call as an exploit but asking if it was a cooler in the OP was pretty funny.


Lol thanks, I’m glad someone laughed. Seems like some people took that remark a little too seriously >_<
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03-29-2021 , 02:01 PM
In this hand I don't think there are many clean bluffcatchers. The hands that most clearly block Tx BB calling hands are Qx and Jx, but as you asked, is v value betting 3 streets with QT or JT? Also, they clearly block many of villain's bluffs on a T8x board, so I think i'd just go with the obvious Ax (maybe minus A9 because it so obviously blocks bluffs).

Last edited by bailashtoreth; 03-29-2021 at 02:11 PM.
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03-29-2021 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by whitemares
Do you know what a cooler is OP?This is 50z on ACR, which is probably tougher than 500z on ignition
Unironically. I have been playing 200z on ignition and it's almost certainly softer than 50b on ACR. Open limpers every hand and people limp jamming all sorts of crap. Haven't tried out 500z yet, heard there are some crushers there, but I assume when the pool is juicy it's similar.

OP why are you playing 50b? I don't think it's the best way to build your roll having gone down that path myself.
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03-31-2021 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by 2021shipit
Unironically. I have been playing 200z on ignition and it's almost certainly softer than 50b on ACR. Open limpers every hand and people limp jamming all sorts of crap. Haven't tried out 500z yet, heard there are some crushers there, but I assume when the pool is juicy it's similar.

OP why are you playing 50b? I don't think it's the best way to build your roll having gone down that path myself.


Well I’m a live pro, I just play online to improve. So my goal is to play in the toughest game I can for the cheapest I can, so 50z is perfect lol
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03-31-2021 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
Well I’m a live pro, I just play online to improve. So my goal is to play in the toughest game I can for the cheapest I can, so 50z is perfect lol
What's more difficult in your opinion? 1k NL Live or 10NL blitz on ACR?
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03-31-2021 , 06:20 PM
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Originally Posted by DooDooPoker
What's more difficult in your opinion? 1k NL Live or 10NL blitz on ACR?


Lol

1K live
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