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03-21-2008 , 02:20 PM
http://files.filefront.com/50NL+Betf.../fileinfo.html

Any comments welcome.

I botched a few hands - J8 suited should have threebet or folded orz, same with QT suited in a similar sit ( both from bb vs button raise ).
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03-21-2008 , 02:21 PM
are you chatting about your thought process in hands, do you have a mic.

also how many tables.
how long.
which site.
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03-21-2008 , 02:23 PM
50nl, 2 tables, talking random crap throughout ( some may call it a thought process ), usual stakes ( moving up to 100nl soon hopefully ), ~65 mins long. Betfair.

volume is a little low so make sure you turn the volume the eff up ( I have no idea whats causing that issue but trying to resolve it ).
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03-21-2008 , 02:24 PM
cool, ill watch it later and note down some hands to post about.
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03-21-2008 , 02:26 PM
You can't see my screen name...imho
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03-21-2008 , 02:47 PM
sweet, will watch this w/e
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03-21-2008 , 03:00 PM
thanks man.
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03-21-2008 , 04:05 PM
BTW: Note - download don't stream! The streaming quality on filefront is pretty awful.
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03-22-2008 , 07:56 AM
Shameless Shameless bump to also let you know I've fixed the audio issue by recording with mic boost on ( its not an issue on stuff like vent/etc just when recording it seems to be incredibly quiet ).

Future vids will feature loudness
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03-22-2008 , 08:58 AM
downloading.will watch it later.hope we can get a nice discussion on
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03-22-2008 , 10:33 AM
buy a new microphone or headset!!!!!!i cant understand a single word.i have my sound adjusted to the highest volume possible.i can only guess what you are saying
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03-22-2008 , 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr.o0
buy a new microphone or headset!!!!!!i cant understand a single word.i have my sound adjusted to the highest volume possible.i can only guess what you are saying
I've actually fixed the recording issue so any future vids should be fine.
Also if I play it back on my system yes I do need to turn the volume up but its fine, I guess on some peoples systems its just too quiet regardless.
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03-22-2008 , 11:06 AM
when i really concentrate i can understand what you are saying.but its very hard to concentrate on listening and then following your actions in the video.but for the 1st video its quite solid.video has a good quality and you dont get eye cancer^^
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03-22-2008 , 12:03 PM
ok.i have watched 51 minutes so far.your play is pretty good and solid.only a few points:

-i think you should raise larger from the SB in a blind vs blind situation.i usually amke i 4BB´s to go from the SB when i attack the BB.i am happy to take it down preflop.
-10mins:even though you had the pokertrackerstats for this player afterwards i like a valuebet on the river.but i really dont think that you should bet so large.i dont think a small pp will call such a huge bet on the river after you fired every street.bet like 8 or 9 bucks
-13mins:you defend J8s in the BB.when you think that villain is raising light in position i pretty much prefer a 3bet.i dont think we can play J8s effectively oop.
16mins:you have QQ and raise preflop with one caller.you cbet a Kxx board and get called.i pretty much prefer a check on the turn for pot control.when he checks again on the river you obviously have to bet.with a check on the turn we also let weaker one pair hands stay inb the hand,and from whom we can extract value on the river.i think most of these weaker one pair hands would fold to a bet on the turn.
but you bet the turn and get raised(just a little bigger than a minraise).what made you think that villain doesnt has a great hand in this spot?noemally a turn minraise indicates a whole lot of strength.but obviously you made a nice read and stacked him.
-34mins:you have AA and a player nearly all in on the turn.vs these shortstcks i much prefer s smaller turnbet to suggest them that they have foldequity or whatever.i would bet slightly over half the pot and watch the monies go in the middle
-35mins:you raise 97s from the button and get 2 caller.flop comes AKx.both check and you make a relatively big cbet.i would make a really small(1/3-1/2 the pot) because i expect to fold out all hnads that dont contain an ace or king.this bet has the same impact like your cbet but it dont has to work so often to make it profitable.
-40 and following:why do you start making 2,5BB raises preflop?and that from every position.was here a reason for it?
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03-22-2008 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.o0
ok.i have watched 51 minutes so far.your play is pretty good and solid.only a few points:

-i think you should raise larger from the SB in a blind vs blind situation.i usually amke i 4BB´s to go from the SB when i attack the BB.i am happy to take it down preflop.
If they are defending for 3.5 they are defending for 3, it means if I get RR'd I loose less and it also looks less aggressive.

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Originally Posted by Mr.o0
-10mins:even though you had the pokertrackerstats for this player afterwards i like a valuebet on the river.but i really dont think that you should bet so large.i dont think a small pp will call such a huge bet on the river after you fired every street.bet like 8 or 9 bucks
Pot was ~$20 iirc? I think I bet 14? I figured he had a medium 66/77 hand and was determined to call down, was just vbetting.

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-13mins:you defend J8s in the BB.when you think that villain is raising light in position i pretty much prefer a 3bet.i dont think we can play J8s effectively oop.
Agree, I think I commented on this in OP, threebet was in order here.


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16mins:you have QQ and raise preflop with one caller.you cbet a Kxx board and get called.i pretty much prefer a check on the turn for pot control.when he checks again on the river you obviously have to bet.with a check on the turn we also let weaker one pair hands stay inb the hand,and from whom we can extract value on the river.i think most of these weaker one pair hands would fold to a bet on the turn.
but you bet the turn and get raised(just a little bigger than a minraise).what made you think that villain doesnt has a great hand in this spot?noemally a turn minraise indicates a whole lot of strength.but obviously you made a nice read and stacked him.
I thought he would have RR'd pre or flop with a king rather than waiting for the turn so it was very fishy.

Same thought on flop led me to vbet turn.
There were also a decent amount of straight draws out there that I wanted to profit off.

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Originally Posted by Mr.o0
-34mins:you have AA and a player nearly all in on the turn.vs these shortstcks i much prefer s smaller turnbet to suggest them that they have foldequity or whatever.i would bet slightly over half the pot and watch the monies go in the middle
The board was 547T with two diamonds, I wanted to charge him the max. He ended up having Kd7d. I think half pot is bad as he's getting 3-1 and calling profitably on the turn as long as he has 25%+ equity.


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-35mins:you raise 97s from the button and get 2 caller.flop comes AKx.both check and you make a relatively big cbet.i would make a really small(1/3-1/2 the pot) because i expect to fold out all hnads that dont contain an ace or king.this bet has the same impact like your cbet but it dont has to work so often to make it profitable.
Board was AK2 w/ two diamonds, I just made a standard 2/3rd pot cbet.

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-40 and following:why do you start making 2,5BB raises preflop?and that from every position.was here a reason for it?
This is just something I've been playing around with, raising 2.5x from the button and sometimes the CO if there is a nit on the button. I want people to call w/ marginal crap oop so I can punish them postflop. Also if I get RR'd it costs me less if I have to fold and lets me call a little easier with pps vs stack sizes.

It also counters getting threebet light because unopened pot is 1.5bb, if I raise to 2.5x I'm laying a decent price compared to raising to 3.5x if I mash the pot button.

If I open to 1.75bb and get RR'd to 6 it costs me 4.25 to call - forcing me to fold a lot of my medium strength hands and pairs depending on villain stacksize, if I raise to $1.25 ( 2.5x ) and get RR'd to $4.5 it costs me 3.25 to call, keeps the pot smaller and makes it harder for me to get threebet light because I can call with a lot more hands in position.

This might be horribly wrong ofc as I've only started doing it recently but it seems to be working quite well so far.

I think you probably just noticed it later in the vid as the bottom table was getting shorthanded and I had some nits at the table giving me a better effective position so I was opening more.
I certainly dont recommend trying it from anything but the button.
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03-22-2008 , 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dlorc
If they are defending for 3.5 they are defending for 3, it means if I get RR'd I loose less and it also looks less aggressive.

but i still think that our fold equity is far greater when we raise to 4BB out of the SB.a player in the BB,looking at q10 or whatever garbage,may think´´hey,just 1buck to go.lets see a flop´´

Pot was ~$20 iirc? I think I bet 14? I figured he had a medium 66/77 hand and was determined to call down, was just vbetting.

i just thought that we have a greater chance to get the money in when we bet a bit smaller.he dindt have much money behind and he might be scared of a 3/4 pot bet


Agree, I think I commented on this in OP, threebet was in order here.

sry.didnt see that in the original post




I thought he would have RR'd pre or flop with a king rather than waiting for the turn so it was very fishy.

Same thought on flop led me to vbet turn.
There were also a decent amount of straight draws out there that I wanted to profit off.

thats true.i think its often pretty close between defending vs draws-and checking for pot control.in this spot you played the hand perfectly


The board was 547T with two diamonds, I wanted to charge him the max. He ended up having Kd7d. I think half pot is bad as he's getting 3-1 and calling profitably on the turn as long as he has 25%+ equity.

hmmmm



Board was AK2 w/ two diamonds, I just made a standard 2/3rd pot cbet.

i think a smaller bet will achieve the same goal.



This is just something I've been playing around with, raising 2.5x from the button and sometimes the CO if there is a nit on the button. I want people to call w/ marginal crap oop so I can punish them postflop. Also if I get RR'd it costs me less if I have to fold and lets me call a little easier with pps vs stack sizes.

It also counters getting threebet light because unopened pot is 1.5bb, if I raise to 2.5x I'm laying a decent price compared to raising to 3.5x if I mash the pot button.

If I open to 1.75bb and get RR'd to 6 it costs me 4.25 to call - forcing me to fold a lot of my medium strength hands and pairs depending on villain stacksize, if I raise to $1.25 ( 2.5x ) and get RR'd to $4.5 it costs me 3.25 to call, keeps the pot smaller and makes it harder for me to get threebet light because I can call with a lot more hands in position.

This might be horribly wrong ofc as I've only started doing it recently but it seems to be working quite well so far.

I think you probably just noticed it later in the vid as the bottom table was getting shorthanded and I had some nits at the table giving me a better effective position so I was opening more.
I certainly dont recommend trying it from anything but the button.
yup.when these players are so nitty and dont play at you to raise every hand makes sense.when they pick up a hand you just spend 1.25$ and can eisily muck.but the rest of the time you pick up their blinds


overall a very good video.but one question.why werent the pokertracker stats displayed at the table?
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03-22-2008 , 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr.o0
yup.when these players are so nitty and dont play at you to raise every hand makes sense.when they pick up a hand you just spend 1.25$ and can eisily muck.but the rest of the time you pick up their blinds


overall a very good video.but one question.why werent the pokertracker stats displayed at the table?
PAhud doesnt support the site, I think Holdem manager does but I dont have it.
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03-23-2008 , 08:18 AM
Nice vid, didn't get much from the audio, but glad you explained some of your hands in this thread.

Must admit i'd of folded the QQ hand like a wuss on that board, nice read.

Let us know if you make another.
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03-23-2008 , 10:26 AM
make another with better audio and post here? mayb make one at NL100 now?
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03-23-2008 , 11:01 AM
I havnt moved up to NL100 yet waiting to hit the $3000 mark.

I did just finish recording a 4 tabling vid with some more bluffcatchers Going to watch it to analyse it a little myself and see what the quality is like ( audio issue is fixed though can say that now ).
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03-23-2008 , 06:54 PM
hey dlorc.i tried your 3BB raise from the SB vs BB and it worked well.ok it just was a one hour session but whatever^^.i think with a smaller raise we dont build up a lot of tension between other players and us.lets see how these play works in the future.

to your smaller steal raise from late position against nits.i think it will work bu i havent seen a tabel since a few weeks where 2 nits were sitting in the blinds^^.its very rare to find this scenario.but we should always adapt to the table circumstances.thats a good move for our weapon arsenal
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