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11-24-2021 , 08:24 PM

0NoobiePoker0

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UTG is 22/12/6 in 560 hands. Am I able to get 3 streets of value here really against like KQ? GTO Wizard has this turn betting again pretty large most of the time. But is it better to check against a tighter opponent and then bet big on most rivers? Thoughts are appreciated, thanks.

BTN: 341.88 BB
SB: 62.06 BB
Hero (BB): 101.5 BB
UTG: 231.14 BB
CO: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 10.5 BB, UTG calls 7.5 BB

Flop: (21.5 BB, 2 players) J

Hero bets 7.5 BB, UTG calls 7.5 BB

Turn: (36.5 BB, 2 players) 3

Hero?

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11-24-2021 , 10:10 PM

nonsimplesimon

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Id say check. I think QQ or a J will have hard time calling and this board is dry enough I am not worried about giving free cards. Plus if we bet and get raised it really sucks. So let's check and see if he bets a wider range.

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11-24-2021 , 10:19 PM

Haizemberg93

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Pretty clear value bet imo. If he is tight he won't bluff you so xr or xc just puts you against strongest prat of his range, xf is too tight. You can bet smaller like 1/3 or 1/2 pot if you are afraid he will fold everything you beat vs bigger sizings.

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11-24-2021 , 10:44 PM

Donkeybets

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I think you could size up right on the flop since we have nut advantage and villain should connect with the flop well enough, half pot OTF. OTT I would also go around 1/2 or slightly more, there are quite a few draws when the spade comes, if we bet small and get called are we happy if a spade , or straight completer comes in? Turn doesnt change the nuts and we have strong hand so I think a big bet is in order

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11-24-2021 , 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Haizemberg93

Would you then go like 1/3 or 1/2 on most rivers as well if he calls turn?

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11-24-2021 , 11:12 PM

nonsimplesimon

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Forgot to say that the Ace spade is a negative blocker here which is a large reason for checking... if he raises us it's geared towards sets and a few combos of two pairs.

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11-24-2021 , 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by nonsimplesimon

Forgot to say that the Ace spade is a negative blocker here which is a large reason for checking... if he raises us it's geared towards sets and a few combos of two pairs.

Good point, thanks.

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11-25-2021 , 02:21 AM

SmbSmbSmb

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the As is a reason for checking, sure, but i think this is a pretty high frequency barrel spot and i certainly include all AK.

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11-25-2021 , 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by SmbSmbSmb

the As is a reason for checking, sure, but i think this is a pretty high frequency barrel spot and i certainly include all AK.

Yeah it seems firing again is the best move with all AK’s here, thanks.

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11-25-2021 , 01:50 PM

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submersible

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it looks like ak without as is a barrel like 85% of the time and with as is a barrel about 55%. i think an ok simplification is to just x with the as and bet the rest. empirically i dont see that many worse combos are going to call down here given positions so im fine with checking this (my sim is choosing a non all in size on brick rivers w ak after strongly favoring block ott w the ak's it bets)

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11-25-2021 , 01:57 PM

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Tamol

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Most likely bet but don't hate a check holding Ace of spades

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11-25-2021 , 10:20 PM

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SmbSmbSmb

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Originally Posted by submersible

not an enormous thing but did you note this is 5 handed?

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11-27-2021 , 02:03 PM

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since the flop is quite connected to villain's range such as many drawing hands & Jx Kx etc. 2/3 bet size is recommended on the flop. I would also do this with my AQ or AT as to exert pressure on villain. At the turn, I would consider a check-call here as to figure out what villain has by his action. This check also protect my AQ & AT. AK is only TPTK here and at most could take 2 streets of value at most of the time.

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11-27-2021 , 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by ntk1992

since the flop is quite connected to villain's range such as many drawing hands & Jx Kx etc. 2/3 bet size is recommended on the flop.

How are you coming up with this flop sizing?

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11-28-2021 , 05:26 AM

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ntk1992

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Hero is OOP here. Villain will call with any JX hand with 1/3 bet size as well as their SDs or BDFDs, or even some GSSD. You could not locate your relative hand strength here with this bet size. As the effective stack is more than 100BB, you will come to difficult decisions in the next 2 streets when facing those hands that you could still have equity. Therefore, better choice is to bet larger at the flop to remove some weaker hands such as some backdoor draws, gutshot draws. KX, QJ or JT or open-ended SD will call your 2/3 pot bet as well therefore no value is lost here.

At the turn, you could xc or xr depend on the board change & the bet size of villain.

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11-28-2021 , 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ntk1992

Hero is OOP here. Villain will call with any JX hand with 1/3 bet size as well as their SDs or BDFDs, or even some GSSD.

I believe this is exactly why solvers advocate betting around 1/3 to 1/2 pot nearly 100% of the time here. A very small percentage is 2/3 sizing.

Last edited by 0NoobiePoker0; 11-28-2021 at 10:46 AM.

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11-28-2021 , 11:27 AM

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1/3 pot here would induce many bluffs which you would face a tough spot on the turn & river. I would rather bet 2/3 pot here to minimize chance of being float if OOP. Easy xc on the turn and defend your hand on river. With betting 2/3 on the flop, you could easily make correct decision on river.

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11-28-2021 , 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ntk1992

As I asked before, how are you coming up with this sizing? Is it through solver study or some other avenue?

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11-28-2021 , 03:51 PM

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TRUSTtheDRAWCESS

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Seems like a pretty standard vbet imo.
I will double check GTOWizard for you.

Flop:

Turn:

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11-28-2021 , 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TRUSTtheDRAWCESS

Seems like a pretty standard vbet imo.
I will double check GTOWizard for you.

Flop:

Turn:

Great thanks, I use GTO Wizard as well and saw it’s mostly a turn bet.

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11-28-2021 , 11:59 PM

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ntk1992

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solver comes up with a 1/3 pot size bet. The reason is that solver does not aware of the bluff / value ratio and it assume your opponent uses GTO which is also non-exploitable. In real time, bluff / value ratio is much smaller than what GTO did. That's why we should deviate a bit from GTO to exploit the opponent at some sense. Take an example, if there is no bluff from villain at this board, you should not use GTO sizing to cope with them. With 2/3 pot sizing, the tendency of being floated will be much less which can easily position your hand.

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