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10-08-2008 , 06:58 PM
NO reads on villain as he had only played a couple of orbits but seemed loose.

Given stack sizes is this an auto shove on the turn?

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $89
UTG+1: $65.60
Hero: $55.40
Button: $51.50
SB: $26.25
BB: $29.90

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with A K
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, BB calls.

Flop: 7 J K ($3.75, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB calls.

Turn: A ($9.75, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7, BB raises to $14, Hero raises all-in $50.65, BB calls all-in $11.15.
Uncalled bets: $25.5 returned to Hero.

River: 5 ($60.05, 0 player + 2 all-in - Main pot: $60.05)
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10-08-2008 , 07:08 PM
Well he min raised u turn and he has 11.15 left...I'd be getting it in now cuz i'm calling ne river if i call dat raise and I dont want to c a Q / T

If he showed up with a set its a cooler
If he showed up with QT i laugh. stack him later
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10-08-2008 , 07:16 PM
i think the stack sizes make folding here impossible. if he was 100bb deep i'd be inclined to call and reevaluate river.
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10-08-2008 , 07:23 PM
I don't like the raise size prelfop. You left yourself with an SPR around 10, which, unless the villain is super loose, is above your max SPR for AK.

You can create a favorable SPR by raising to something like $2.50. I understand that there are a lot of hands he is defending a 3.5xbb raise with but folding to a 5xbb raise. However, imo, the larger raise is still better. Yes, you're often just going to scoop the blinds, but when you are called, you've created a perfect situation for your hand and made is as likely as possible that your opponent will stack off with the worst of it.

Limping is also an option. The SPR will very likely be above 20, which, if you can't get it down to your target SPR, is the next best alternative. With the SPR in the 20s you will have the ability to get some value out of your hand likely without having to made a commitment decision.


As played, I like the turn shove.
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10-08-2008 , 07:37 PM
I don't think an SPR (stack to pot ratio??) is important enough to change your preflop raise size, I try to keep it pretty constant anyway. Maybe you can explain more about the importance of this SPR and why AK can't have it be 10, I havn't read whichever poker book it is from. Limping is absolutely terrible though, imo. The cons outway any pros that come with size ratios.
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10-08-2008 , 07:56 PM
Not that the ace changed anything but I still call, and go watch sportscenter when he has QT or a set, because otherwise you wouldn't be posting this hand.
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10-08-2008 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Ksight3
Well he min raised u turn and he has 11.15 left...I'd be getting it in now cuz i'm calling ne river if i call dat raise and I dont want to c a Q / T

If he showed up with a set its a cooler
If he showed up with QT i laugh. stack him later
You don't defend against a steal w/ QT and call with an OESD on the flop? Or are you laughing because he should have donked the flop or 3-bet preflop, I don't get it.
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10-08-2008 , 08:05 PM
I think he would laugh of sheer irony idk. Though QT is not a hand worthy of defending blinds imo.
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10-08-2008 , 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by High_SocietyA9
I think he would laugh of sheer irony idk. Though QT is not a hand worthy of defending blinds imo.
What do you defend your blinds with? Pocket aces?
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10-08-2008 , 08:47 PM
Not a hand that is so easily dominated.... QT is a bad hand in general especially heads up.
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10-08-2008 , 08:48 PM
this is so standard
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10-08-2008 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by lautzutao
You don't defend against a steal w/ QT and call with an OESD on the flop? Or are you laughing because he should have donked the flop or 3-bet preflop, I don't get it.
1) u shouldnt defend with QT
2) ur not getting the odds to call flop with just oesd cuz all ur looking for A / 9. Q or T doesnt help you much.

Him holding QT tells me villain is an idiot and i'll (err hero will) stack him later.
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10-09-2008 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by jaysu
I don't think an SPR (stack to pot ratio??) is important enough to change your preflop raise size, I try to keep it pretty constant anyway. Maybe you can explain more about the importance of this SPR and why AK can't have it be 10, I havn't read whichever poker book it is from. Limping is absolutely terrible though, imo. The cons outway any pros that come with size ratios.
Yes, I was referring to stack to pot ratio.

The whole point of thinking about hands in terms of SPR is to play as many hands near your target SPR as possible and prevent your opponents from playing near their target SPRs. You create different SPRs by betting or raising different amounts preflop.

SPR helps you make post-flop commitment decisions. An SPR of 10 is bad for hands like AK because it is close to 3 pot sized bets, which, in most cases, if you get that much money in postflop your opponent can beat TPTK.

It was introduced in Professional No Limit Hold'em (a 2p2 book).

I suggest you check it out.

In regards to limping, I totally disagree with you. Would you mind actually listing some of the "cons" of limping?
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