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07-12-2009 , 08:55 PM

Exar_Kun

adept

Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,198

Villain is a 21/11/7 aggressive player. I only had 60 hands on him.

QT is the only hand that beats me, and considering its a limped put its a possibility.

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NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($64.25)
Hero ($50)
UTG ($10)
CO ($26.20)
BTN ($12.65)

Dealt to Hero 7

check, fold, fold, SB calls $0.25, check,

FLOP ($1.50) J

SB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, UTG folds,

TURN ($4.50) J

SB bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50,

RIVER ($13.50) J

SB bets $10, Hero calls $10,

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07-12-2009 , 08:58 PM

YouCheckRaise

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 5,445

Are you kidding me? You need to be raising all 3 of those streets, stop nitting around if he has Q10 its a cooler, you get value out of a ton of hands

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07-12-2009 , 09:00 PM

Exar_Kun

adept

Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,198

Its not that I am just worried about a cooler, but also whether I get value from worse hands by raising here. Villain is aggressive and I thought letting him bet out all streets with possibly worse would be better than raising and getting him to fold.

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07-12-2009 , 09:01 PM

Doboyfusion

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,442

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Originally Posted by Exar_Kun

Did I play this too passively

Umm considering you took the most passive line possible, I'd say yes.

Why did you never raise at any point in the hand. If you were letting him barrel, you should have popped the river.

Confused by your play.

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07-12-2009 , 09:03 PM

mg0698

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Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 9,432

WTF

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07-12-2009 , 09:03 PM

RaidanKR

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Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 408

I dont mind not raising the flop, but you def have to raise the turn. And wtf with your river call, you have the 2nd nuts, raise raise raise raise

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07-12-2009 , 09:06 PM

VithelTone

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Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 5,676

I think the only possible way to play this more passively is to fold river

Seriously, pick any street and raise, anyone is better than none at all.

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07-12-2009 , 09:08 PM

s4lesman

grinder

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 518

River:
villain bets $10, Hero CALLS $10

hero's mind: "I call now IP, he'll shove next street"

LOL

man I don't mind that much not raising the flop since he pots it OOP, but raise turn plzz and wtf at river call, come on you've got sooo much value he's got so much more then the nuts here.. I mean sets, 2 pair etc..and even straight you could be chopping...

wow..

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07-18-2009 , 08:53 AM

antonioconto

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Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 44

River is definite reraise!

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07-18-2009 , 08:57 AM

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SAVAGEx

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 373

lol at least raise the river

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07-19-2009 , 08:43 AM

#11

QuickStealJR

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 341

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Originally Posted by Exar_Kun

check, fold, fold, SB calls $0.25, check,

FLOP ($1.50) J

SB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, UTG folds,

TURN ($4.50) J

SB bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50,

RIVER ($13.50) J

SB bets $10, Hero calls $10,

holy macro! use NFSW filters next time for the love of god

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07-19-2009 , 08:45 AM

#12

ToOnie

newbie

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 42

I think i like letting the SB betting into this like that but shove the river !

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07-19-2009 , 08:49 AM

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martin9_90

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,586

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Originally Posted by Exar_Kun

Its not that I am just worried about a cooler, but also whether I get value from worse hands by raising here. Villain is aggressive and I thought letting him bet out all streets with possibly worse would be better than raising and getting him to fold.

i can see u dont want to scare off him on turn/flop but on river - wat

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07-19-2009 , 10:37 AM

#14

fr1234

journeyman

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 388

"nh"

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07-19-2009 , 11:04 AM

#15

jackfaust

centurion

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 173

so after everyone's done flaming, how would most people play this?

I had a hand close to this but i think i played it too agro...

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07-19-2009 , 11:18 AM

#16

MyriadChoices

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 757

If I was on my game, I'd play it like you did but pop river to 25. Raising turn is dumb because you are instant folding anything that doesn't have an A imo unless you have a read that villain will level himself here and you don't. Also, the river raise is small enough that you'd get value from most one pair hands and a reraise from good two pairs and all sets. A shove isn't getting called by most one pairs imo although I put him on 2 pairs and sets. Why risk value w/ shove when you can almost certianly make money with the 2.5 raise.

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07-19-2009 , 12:20 PM

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John Dough

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Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 197

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Originally Posted by Exar_Kun

That's just awful. He easily has QJ, JT, AT, Qx, pair+straight draw, slow-played aces or kings etc. If he is aggressive, he might ship it in with just a draw, so raise! Your hand isn't near the immortal nuts, either, he can be drawing to split or better.

Raise every street and you are not only protecting your hand but also valuetowning his two-pairs and sets.

Last edited by John Dough; 07-19-2009 at 12:41 PM. Reason: i suck at teh english

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07-19-2009 , 12:45 PM

#18

Kante

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Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 391

Gandhi Poker?
As said I raise flop and take it from there..

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07-19-2009 , 01:05 PM

#19

martin9_90

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 5,586

you have the nuts on a board where many cards can turn your nuts into one card straight non nuts type hand

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07-19-2009 , 01:34 PM

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STARSCREAM.

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,963

If this were a raised pot playing it a little slower is fine if say you raised pre and were getting donked into on the flop. But in a limped pot raising the flop is absolutely mandatory, people will be calling you down with way too much garbage here and if he has a hand that he's going to put way too much money in with, improperly (which he probably will with most hands) than we need to let him do that by raising.

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