i have no reads on my villian.besides maybe making my raise on flop $12 instead of $13 is there anything i could have done different? i think this is a standard fold?
thanks for the help

Full Tilt Poker, $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 8 Players
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CO: $8.75
BTN: $10.15
SB: $52.35
BB: $24.50
Hero (UTG): $49.25
UTG+1: $53
MP1: $79.05
MP2: $51

Pre-Flop: Q Q dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $1.75, 5 folds, SB raises to $4, BB folds, Hero calls $2.25

Flop: ($8.50) T 5 J (2 Players)
SB bets $5, Hero raises to $13, SB raises to $48.35 and is All-In, Hero folds

Results: $34.50 Pot ($1.70 Rake)
SB mucked and WON $32.80 (+$15.80 NET)

Ughh........this is all sorts of bad. You find out the exact same info on the turn for the price of calling the flop bet.

edit: Except even against a hand like AK or AK you still don't have that great of equity, only good news is you have 2 blockers to a straight.

why are you raising flop?

hint: "for information" is not a good answer

What 3bet range do you put him on?

Can you see why his range CRUSHES your hand on this flop?

Given his range and this board, raising folds out like 15% of his hands.. and realistically, him folding is the only way we can win this pot. Id flat the flop, but id be interested in others opinions because flatting the flop may be a leak in itself.

Have you any reads on villain? This could be a fold pre.

For $2.25?

True, I didn't see the 3bet size, but a sb 3bet of an UTG open is still strong

IP vs a tight range, getting good odds = setmine plus we have QQ which has some SD value vs his range

Yeah i'm not folding to what is basically a min-raise, but if sb is tight and bets a little bigger, I can see a fold.

i have no history with the villian. so i should have just folded to his flop bet? i was raising to see if i can take the pot away right there. i figured it was my only chance of taking the pot away. i figured my hand might be good too. but after the reraise i put him on kk aa or ak with a heart in it so i folded to the all in.

or should i have just reraised pre then folded to a reraise/shove?

preflop is super-standard imo (4bet folding is puke-bad.) Unknowns generally aren't bluffing at monotone boards so you are pretty crushed. You can flat flop/cf turn UI or just fold to the flop bet. The flop is pretty disgusting for your hand.

I think the preflop play isn't bad easy call there not having to committ too much to a random without a real range with QQ pre. I woulda flatted him preflop and seen what happened from there. I don't think you get him to fold out there often enough to make that play +EV

OK, tell me what you think his 3bet range is. Think before you do this.



So when we raise what hands is he going to shove and which hands is he going to fold?

Well hes going to shove TT/JJ because they have sets. QQ because he has the Qh as a backup. KK/AA and any AK with a heart.

There are 3 combos each of TT/JJ 1 combo of QQ 6 combos each of KK/AA and 16 combos of AK, 7 of which contain at least one (one of these is AKhh) Ill even say he may fold KK to your flop raise if he doesnt have a sometimes.. so lets say he folds 1 combo of KK.

He shoves with 25/35 of his liberal range and 12/13 of his probable range. So you can see that raising this flop gets him to fold sooooo little and your putting in so much to do it.

Adjust the numbers as you wish if you disagree with some of the assumptions, but fairly certain itll come out as -$EV if you do an equity calc with almost any range you give him.



Also, you should be able to see why this flop is so awful for your hand... the only pairs you were ahead of now have sets and most of the AK combos are flipping with pair/flush/straight outs vs your QQ.

A couple things for you to think about regarding why you're betting and how you should plan to react to a shove:

a) Villain is almost never flatting a flop raise because it's a 3bet pot (i.e. the SPR is low) and the board is super drawy. He's either shoving or folding.

b) There are 2 main valid reasons to bet:
- Value: we get worse hands to call
- Bluff: we get better hands to fold

so if this flop wasn't all hearts my move would have some more validity to it?
so the best move here was to just fold the flop because it looks so bad for my hand?

thanks for all your help everyone i appreciate it very much

Flop call is pretty thin imo, but +EV. I honestly don't hate a straight-up fold on the flop though, given that we have to fold to any further aggression on complete blank cards, and we hate hearts, A's, and K's...hell, we don't even like to see a Q come off since it puts AK ahead of us.