Villain is 24/20/10 in 500 hands. Thoughts on the play as a whole are appreciated, thanks.

BB: 98.56 BB
UTG: 139.34 BB
MP: 102.3 BB
Hero (CO): 100 BB
BTN: 113.54 BB
SB: 97.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q J

fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, BTN calls 2.5 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (6.5 BB, 2 players) T 6 4
Hero checks, BTN bets 2.6 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, BTN calls 5.4 BB

Turn: (22.5 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 8 BB, BTN calls 8 BB

River: (38.5 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero bets 50 BB

I'd rather OB the turn than the river but as played I do like your river sizing.

Send me the raw HH I want to solve this one.

Flop is fine, I'd X turn.

Think river is good once we weaken his range OTT.

OK will do once I get home, thanks.

Just shove the river.

Interesting spot I agree. Give me a minute I will check GTOWizard.

Super interesting spot. I dont know much off the top of my head about turn and river, but I am inclined to think flop is good. I am going to check GTOWizard.

Holy ****. It absolutely loves your line, sizings and all. Well played OP. I cant say I understand the turn sizing though.

Flop:







Turn:




River:

Thanks for the breakdown. No coincidence that GTO Wizard likes the line. As I've said in other posts I've recently got into using it and have done a lot of study lately on certain spots, this situation being one, and happen to play a session yesterday where I got to use some of my newfound information. Honestly I would've never played the hand this way before and can't say I totally understand the sizing, especially on the turn. But I've found studying with it very interesting and started implementing lines I never would've taken before and trying to get a basic understanding why a solver likes certain plays and lines. It's been a fun way to study and work on my game.

Really impressive OP. Good job.

I understand flop/river but the turn sizing is strange.

@TTD

How often is BTN raising the 1/3 turn bet here?

Nice work OP

Thank you sir, so much to learn but I enjoy the process.

Seems like it's trying to bet it's Tx on this turn, which you can't really do for a big sizing, so it sizes down with basically its whole range. I mean this is kinda the only high-equity draw that gets there - no one has 57, and 89 pairs up, plus both can still have sets. I feel like something similar happens on a disconnected suited flop when the flush comes in on the turn. NH.

yeh i think it's just a measure of how many 1 pair hands we're xr otf, how this turn is clearly not a blank and how villain also has a ton of 1 pair hands in their range.

somewhat surprised we're not incorporating another block bet on this river for similar reasons.

I wonder what solver thinks of bet/bet/overbet river instead of this line. I don’t understand this line at all and think its probrably burning money against weaker opponents, the tiny turn bet I dont see what that accomplishes with our bluff OOP, I think villain likely just folded his weaker range due to the overbet OTR and he got to see it for a cheap turn call. The river is not a scare card so Villain’s top pair etc are still same

Well I don’t think a solver ever wants you to bet this flop in this spot. It’s pretty much a range check I believe. The turn bet size is odd I agree. It keeps a wider range of villain’s hands in the pot but our hand here certainly has a lot of equity as well. The river overbet then is then a tough polar spot you put them in. The guy in the chat said “well I guess KTs is no good” and folded. So against more competent players who can fold this puts a lot of pressure on those hands. Also you block JT and QT so I’d think the overbet is targeting more like 89s, or 88, 77. Against opponents who can’t find the fold button though I’d say that this is not a good river bet.

I think the problem with OB turn is that we don't have a strong enough nut advantage to justify it. We maybe have a slight advantage in sets (we have TT, 66 and 44 whereas villain has 66, 99 and maybe 44 sometimes) but we're about even on straights and he has more T9.

Once we bet small on the turn, we can overbet the river since we've manipulated his range in such a way that he's more capped now.

Probably not much since flop is a range check.

They still lose to all of our overpairs.

We bet small on turn, because we don't need as much protection and don't mind if he calls with top/middle pair type hands. It also puts random Ax and Kx in tough spots.

I input some ranges and used solver, it likes to bet QJs here OTF. I think when equities run close we can bet our best made hands
and draws around 25% frequency and we would use a polarized sizing, checking 75% of the time or more, range check I'm sure is ok too but I like the bet OTF.

Also, I followed OP's line and the results I got had QJdd betting turn with polarized sizing 100% of the time. Hero's range on the turn here is betting polarized with a large sizing at 50% frequency and checking the other 50% of the time. There was no small sizing bet OTT at all. Is anyone else using GTO+ or PIO or is everyone using GTO wizard that has the pre-made ranges that you cannot adjust? I'm confused why solver doesn't bet turn small for me when it seems like it is for you guys.



EDIT: I tried GTO wizard: 500nl basic.

Still likes to polarize OTF with 17% range frequency. QJdd it likes to bet 2/3 of the time 33% of the time. With the X/R line OTF it likes to check the turn nearly pure.

For QJdd on the flop out of the options:

- checking is 43%
- betting 2/3 is 33%
- betting 23%pot is 15%

When solver does stuff like this I like to kind of ignore the lowest number for implementable's sake, so I think the 2/3 flop sizing is ok here with our hand but I don't fault anyone for checking obv solver likes that aswell.












Also, how do you add the pictures like trustthedrawcess did? I have the way I have been adding them but don't know an easier way.

I’m no GTO expert and am just really getting into it. I’m using GTO Wizard with 50NL 100BB stacks set up. In that set up it basically checks this flop 100% of the time with our entire range.

The flop actually prefers the raiser, this could be a range cbet.

yeah thats odd.. because I ran it in GTO wizard as-well at 500nl, I asked the company if there is any difference in how it solves between 50nl and 500nl and they said its the same besides the rake.

I got similar answers OTF between when running it in GTO+ and GTO wizard 500nl. Checking range was not what I was getting from either solver as you can see from the screenshots.

My sim checks range on the flop and then does prefer a smaller size on the turn.

Where mine seems to differ from GTOWizard, is that it's checking this combo of QJs, and then betting all the others.

it will not be a range cbet given the button has a tighter cold call range

Can you post screenshots?