seems like a totally standard hand. but i wanted some feedback on villian's flop check and my turn CR.

not sure why he would check the flop w FD. wouldn't he want to build a big pot?

also do you guys think my CR was spewy? should i have bet turn when checked to me?

or am i leveling myself and this is totally standard hand?

villian is 17/4 while i'm running around 18/11.



thanks in advance!

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Hero (MP1): $77.25
MP2: $55.45
CO: $50.00
BTN: $59.25
SB: $39.69
BB: $20.89
UTG: $40.75
UTG+1: $42.20

CO posts a big blind ($0)

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is MP1 with 9 9
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, CO raises to $3.50, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

Flop: ($11.25) J 9 A (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($11.25) 3 (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO bets $6, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $73.75 all in, CO calls $40.50 all in

River: ($104.25) 3 (2 players - 2 are all in)

Your flop check is god-awful horrendous. That board is wet as hell and you're holding a set. Bet $7 and start shoveling money in. It's likely this board's going to turn real ugly real fast. You shouldn't depend on CO to cbet an ultra-wet board 3way.

As played, nice shove that only gets called by flushes/sets/MAYBE AJ/MAAAYBE AK from an uberfish, and nice suckout.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

this isn't really relevant to a 17/4, but if a reg squeezes with sooted trash and hits a flushdraw flop IP he's checking back most of the time especially 3-way, so I suppose fish can do it too.

Consider donking this flop, can't rely on a random 17/4 to bet. Should def. bet turn (and get it in vs this villain). You don't want him to checkback once more and have a fourth spade coming on the river killing your hand.


edit: went afk with post window up and came back and there's a good reply already dang.

thanks for the feedback.

my thoughts:

obviously i'm happy to get it in on the flop. it's a 3bet pot from 4% PFR. why donk flop and fold out his QQ, KK? he's obviously betting his AA, AK on that flop. don't think there are many flush or straight draw hands in his PFR range.

Well, the board IS pretty scary multiway. Especially with 2 callers of your 3bet... With a bare fd (as in, no AsKs) I can imagine villain checking behind for the free card as opposed risking to get check/raised... Any set he would bet on the flop and the same with AsKs imo.

I prolly bet flop though... the board IS scary and 2way he's likely only cbetting if he hit the A or has some other made hand. On the other hand, I don't really want to give too many freecards on this flop 3way. HU it would be different...

As played, I dunno about turn. The shove seems overkill and is only getting called by hands beating you. I'd raise normally to get value from single spade hands (KsKx for example) instead of shoving here. But I'm not folding to the 3rd spade (and after raising his turn bet I'm pretty much committed and have outs in case he does have the flush).

CO 3bet. i called 3bet.

this. and a 17/4 is very likely to play draws passively.

Villains cbet% would be useful here...

It's probably not relevant at 50nl, but are we ever donk betting anything that isn't a set on this flop?

btw villian's 3bet is 1.38.

u guys really think villian is 3betting suited cards or connectors? i think it's heavily weighted towards QQ+, AKs.

i was not afraid of the turn spade. rather i wanted value from his Ks hands and my line looks awfully like a flush draw myself.

PS villian had AA, which is why i'm puzzled by the flop check.

villian's cbet flop is 79%

i see this all the time, villains Cbet everything....until they have the nuts then they check, just make notes on people that do this as they dont know how to balance their range at all.

You're right, read it right but typed it wrong

But I'm sticking to the rest of my story

You FPS'd it and ran into a guy who had a better hand and also FPS'd it. What about your flop check?

so much checking going on

Waiting for the flush to hit to play for stacks is awful. Get $ in on the flop. The ONLY reason I endorse a flop check here is if CO villain has a high cbet %. If not, the turn will kill your action and/or bring action you don't want.

sorry not familiar with lingo. what does FPS mean?

Fancy Play Syndrome. It's a very common disease pretty much all of us have been through (and some of us still struggle with), where we regard being tricky/deceptive as more valuable than making money.

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