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11-30-2008 , 06:55 PM

Inf1n1tY

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Hero (CO): $66.55
BTN: $57.05 20/8 low sample
SB: $51.05
BB: $42.70

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with K

Hero raises to $2, BTN raises to $6, 2 folds, Hero raises to $18, BTN calls $12

Flop: ($26.75) A

(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($26.75) 7

(2 players)
Hero

Whats the plan for this hand?

I have his range on AQ, TT+.

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11-30-2008 , 07:01 PM

aznbluff

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Do you want us to come up with an alternative range or do you want us to work from that range?

Depending on his AF, against that range its either b/f or c/f on turn since you didnt cbet flop.

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11-30-2008 , 07:04 PM

Inf1n1tY

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Originally Posted by aznbluff

Do you want us to come up with an alternative range or do you want us to work from that range?

Depending on his AF, against that range its either b/f or c/f on turn since you didnt cbet flop.

i want you to come up with your own range and your own solution obviously.

I think c/f flop, turn, betting river is best. Cause he'll maybe call a bet w KQ or JJ.

If hes betting the turn hes either on a FD or hes betting his slow played QQ,AQ.

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11-30-2008 , 07:13 PM

aznbluff

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Well if he's betting a FD, its probably ahead of you with AKss or similar since calling that 4bet with other spades is horrible.

If we take stabs at his range, its really just stabs in the dark with minimal information. We all (including you with small sample) have no idea what his 3bet%/4betcall% is so I think that its pretty safe to work from the range you gave as a default.

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11-30-2008 , 07:15 PM

aznbluff

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Probably cbet flop or just c/f all streets since your hand will be extremely defined by the river, which steers me away from betting it since a good villain should be shoving it a good % of the time realizing that your range is really weak..

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11-30-2008 , 07:20 PM

Inf1n1tY

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Originally Posted by aznbluff

Why should he shove w weaker hands (KQ,JJ) if he thinks our range is weak. Calling would yield a higher profit because hes ahead of our perceived betting range but behind our calling range.

He should therefore only shove hands that beat us. althou it is highly likely that he would bet these on the turn imo.

EdiT: nevermind. I agree if your thoughts focus on wheather or not to cbet the flop. (we only have a psb left)

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11-30-2008 , 07:24 PM

THoM.

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I probably like a c-bet if you're working with that range. I mean, you can save yourself from a turn c/f. If you check the turn he might also bet the turn with his worse hands (TT-JJ), cause your hand is pretty well defined as KK. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

Although I don't mind c/f c/f b/f.

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11-30-2008 , 07:28 PM

Inf1n1tY

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pot size is messed up. Its 36 on flop and turn wich leaves us w a psb left.

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11-30-2008 , 07:42 PM

matrix

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c/f c/f c/f.

If the flops A72 I am checking the turn and calling a bet, planning to shove the turn when checked through. (or Ace high without another broadway in it)

Given that the only hands on that flop we are ahead of are JJ/TT (does he call preflop with TT???) I'd give up on it.

We have such a small stack relative to the pot that b/folding at any point would be terrible. If we are going to bet - get the monies in.

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11-30-2008 , 08:04 PM

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Belkelbro

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I seriously don't mind c/f. I can't see much hand that you beat. I think his range of calling 3bet would be Ax and QQ JJ, and most of these dominates you - so checking 3 streets here wouldnt be bad.

You can consider check-calling river if he checks 2 streets.

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11-30-2008 , 08:08 PM

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Gorvacofin

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Originally Posted by matrix

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