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03-13-2024 , 03:08 PM
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    iPoker - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
    Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

    BB: €65.30 (130.6 bb)
    Hero (BTN): €50.50 (101 bb)
    SB: €51.04 (102.1 bb)

    SB posts €0.25, BB posts €0.50

    Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has A A
    Hero raises to €1.25, fold, BB calls €0.75

    Flop: (€2.75, 2 players) 5 2 4
    BB checks, Hero checks

    Turn: (€2.75, 2 players) J
    BB checks, Hero bets €1.90, BB raises to €6.30, Hero calls €4.40

    River: (€15.35, 2 players) K
    BB bets €15.00


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    03-13-2024 , 03:30 PM
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    no he has JJ
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    03-13-2024 , 03:56 PM
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    Why not just cbet?
    I would fold river esp vs pot size be
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    03-13-2024 , 04:08 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
    Why not just cbet?
    Because this board smashes the BB calling range so we aren't getting 3 streets and also don't need protection. Our range OTB is also wide.

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    03-19-2024 , 10:35 AM
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    Quote:
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    Why not just cbet?
    I would fold river esp vs pot size be
    Are you being sarcastic? That's a horrible board for a preflop raiser. Gives OP has a GS and a BDFD i wouldn't hate a bet i see nothing wrong with checking
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    03-19-2024 , 12:29 PM
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    Whether the board is good for you or not very little to do whether or not you should bet a particular hand.
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    03-19-2024 , 01:02 PM
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    I'd prefer to bet the flop with the Ad, and I'm not folding the river.
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    03-19-2024 , 01:48 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dude45
    Are you being sarcastic? That's a horrible board for a preflop raiser. Gives OP has a GS and a BDFD i wouldn't hate a bet i see nothing wrong with checking
    This is just not right - board is not horrible (not the best but far away from bad)
    BB has much more medium cards and broadway cards than 2,4 and 5‘s.

    This is a value 3 barrel Allin 100%.
    Its the passive play with strong hands which costs you a lot of money.
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    03-19-2024 , 02:27 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Haizemberg93
    Whether the board is good for you or not very little to do whether or not you should bet a particular hand.
    Well I did say i wouldn't hate a bet. Also I made a typo. I meant given op has a GS and a BDFD i don't hate a bet. I just don't think it's the fist pump bet you and kendoo seem to think it is.
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    03-19-2024 , 02:40 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kendoo
    This is just not right - board is not horrible (not the best but far away from bad)
    BB has much more medium cards and broadway cards than 2,4 and 5‘s.

    This is a value 3 barrel Allin 100%.
    Its the passive play with strong hands which costs you a lot of money.
    I'll look later but wet low card boards are generally better for PF caller. On this board BTN can have all the sets as BTN should open all pairs. BB mostly pure call with small pairs but some do 3bet at a low percentage. The BB is also the only one that can have any str8s. Perhaps horrible was an overstatement but my best guess is if you ran this through a solver its mixing OPs exact hand.

    Getting to the river. I generally don't like to fold big OPs for river bets that are pot or less, but unless things have changed a lot since I last checked how often pool cruises turn its a very under bluffed spot even as high as 50 nl
    Last edited by dude45; 03-19-2024 at 02:48 PM.
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    03-19-2024 , 03:08 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by dude45
    I'll look later but wet low card boards are generally better for PF caller. On this board BTN can have all the sets as BTN should open all pairs. BB mostly pure call with small pairs but some do 3bet at a low percentage. The BB is also the only one that can have any str8s. Perhaps horrible was an overstatement but my best guess is if you ran this through a solver its mixing OPs exact hand.

    Getting to the river. I generally don't like to fold big OPs for river bets that are pot or less, but unless things have changed a lot since I last checked how often pool cruises turn its a very under bluffed spot even as high as 50 nl
    GTO Wizard ranges show an EV of 58 to 42 for BTN and 8% to 5,1% best hands for BTN on this board.

    I 3 barrel this board 100% as long as no diamond card is coming (75% / 130% / jam)
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    03-19-2024 , 03:18 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Kendoo
    GTO Wizard ranges show an EV of 58 to 42 for BTN and 8% to 5,1% best hands for BTN on this board.

    I 3 barrel this board 100% as long as no diamond card is coming (75% / 130% / jam)
    It's a horrible board for BTN, you must be seeing the EV after BB checks in a sim where they donk.

    I assume most regs don't donk flops, and if they aren't we should bet very infrequently in theory.

    I'm guessing they under XR a bit and probe too much, but I'm not exactly sure what that incentivizes our range or hand to do.
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    03-19-2024 , 03:37 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by billylean
    no he has JJ
    I don't know what your gameplay is but JJ is a mandatory 3b.
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    03-19-2024 , 03:47 PM
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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by NikoBelek
      iPoker - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
      Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

      BB: €65.30 (130.6 bb)
      Hero (BTN): €50.50 (101 bb)
      SB: €51.04 (102.1 bb)

      SB posts €0.25, BB posts €0.50

      Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has A A
      Hero raises to €1.25, fold, BB calls €0.75

      Flop: (€2.75, 2 players) 5 2 4
      BB checks, Hero checks

      Turn: (€2.75, 2 players) J
      BB checks, Hero bets €1.90, BB raises to €6.30, Hero calls €4.40

      River: (€15.35, 2 players) K
      BB bets €15.00


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      Slam dunk call with your hand. If you lose bad luck.
      Hand reading based on early streets is important.
      He didnt 3b you so JJ is out. After XX the flop your hand looks merged and weak. I guess that with most sets and straights at this level villain is gonna probe bet because people are greedy and want to get paid in full.
      Most of the times its a JackX or a bluff. Some times its the nuts.
      Based on this calculate and you see that its a call
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      03-19-2024 , 04:02 PM
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      Quote:
      Originally Posted by TripleBerryJam
      It's a horrible board for BTN, you must be seeing the EV after BB checks in a sim where they donk.

      I assume most regs don't donk flops, and if they aren't we should bet very infrequently in theory.

      I'm guessing they under XR a bit and probe too much, but I'm not exactly sure what that incentivizes our range or hand to do.
      The equity is 50/50.
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      03-19-2024 , 06:07 PM
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      Quote:
      Originally Posted by TripleBerryJam
      It's a horrible board for BTN, you must be seeing the EV after BB checks in a sim where they donk.

      I assume most regs don't donk flops, and if they aren't we should bet very infrequently in theory.

      I'm guessing they under XR a bit and probe too much, but I'm not exactly sure what that incentivizes our range or hand to do.
      BTN has the same sets and straights as BB / this is BTN vs BB not UTG vs BB
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      03-19-2024 , 06:29 PM
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      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Kendoo
      BTN has the same sets and straights as BB / this is BTN vs BB not UTG vs BB
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by AskZandar
      The equity is 50/50.
      Exactly, usually as the PFR we have a big range advantage (882) or nut advantage (AQ2). Here our only advantage is position.
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      03-20-2024 , 01:51 PM
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      If BB never donkbets this flop, which will very often be the case, the best strategy in practice would be to xback range us too.

      Except for 1 combo of Ad3d, everything else in our range has an EV of X that is either equal to or better than bet. BB has a concentrate of set/DP/str8/pair+draw much higher than ours.

      Additionally, blocking so many calls (Ax) is generally not what you want to get value, and AA is not a hand that suffers a lot from the absence of protection unlike an 88.

      I call river, it can have K3s Kxdd occasionally in addition to bluffs even if it's close
      Last edited by GTOautistic; 03-20-2024 at 02:04 PM.
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      03-20-2024 , 05:00 PM
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      Quote:
      Originally Posted by GTOautistic
      If BB never donkbets this flop, which will very often be the case, the best strategy in practice would be to xback range us too.

      Except for 1 combo of Ad3d, everything else in our range has an EV of X that is either equal to or better than bet. BB has a concentrate of set/DP/str8/pair+draw much higher than ours.

      Additionally, blocking so many calls (Ax) is generally not what you want to get value, and AA is not a hand that suffers a lot from the absence of protection unlike an 88.

      I call river, it can have K3s Kxdd occasionally in addition to bluffs even if it's close
      sorry, but very bad and wrong advice
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      03-20-2024 , 09:47 PM
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      sorry, but very bad and wrong advice
      funny you say that, cuz actually he is very right and you are very wrong. pls stop advising ppl to play losing strategies.
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      03-21-2024 , 03:41 AM
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      Quote:
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      funny you say that, cuz actually he is very right and you are very wrong. pls stop advising ppl to play losing strategies.
      Keep checking your monsters and play for rakeback!!

      This is a good flop as we want to get in money vs all kind of pairs and draws.
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      03-21-2024 , 06:20 AM
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      v shouldn't have a3o but if they do
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      03-23-2024 , 05:01 PM
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      Quote:
      Originally Posted by NikoBelek
        iPoker - €0.50 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 3 players
        Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

        BB: €65.30 (130.6 bb)
        Hero (BTN): €50.50 (101 bb)
        SB: €51.04 (102.1 bb)

        SB posts €0.25, BB posts €0.50

        Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has A A
        Hero raises to €1.25, fold, BB calls €0.75

        Flop: (€2.75, 2 players) 5 2 4
        BB checks, Hero checks

        Turn: (€2.75, 2 players) J
        BB checks, Hero bets €1.90, BB raises to €6.30, Hero calls €4.40

        River: (€15.35, 2 players) K
        BB bets €15.00


        No info on villain
        I don't believe this villain at all. It appears he plays chip toss not poker.
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