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12-01-2021 , 09:51 PM

0NoobiePoker0

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UTG is 32/21/7 in 280 hands. Just have to call this down? Thoughts on play as a whole are appreciated, thanks.

Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 225.38 BB
MP: 77.5 BB
CO: 118.8 BB
BTN: 171.68 BB
SB: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 4

UTG raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB

Flop: (4.5 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero checks, UTG bets 2.14 BB, Hero calls 2.14 BB

Turn: (8.78 BB, 2 players) 2

Hero checks, UTG bets 4.16 BB, Hero calls 4.16 BB

River: (17.1 BB, 2 players) 7

Hero checks, UTG bets 8.12 BB, Hero?

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12-02-2021 , 03:17 AM

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fyi this is an excellent example of a flop where we want a donking range. gtowizard donks 24% of range in 500nl basic.

with no postflop stats we can fold river. turn is close as it is

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12-02-2021 , 07:34 AM

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Calling because we block AA and 44. Would fold 66, if anything.

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12-02-2021 , 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnRusty

fyi this is an excellent example of a flop where we want a donking range. gtowizard donks 24% of range in 500nl basic.

with no postflop stats we can fold river. turn is close as it is

I never donk but I can see where this could be a place to do so. This hand just feels like I’m getting milked with like TT.

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12-02-2021 , 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by 0NoobiePoker0

This hand just feels like I’m getting milked with like TT.

lol, yep. i give your typical bad reg credit for some turn air given how much A high hero has otf but i suspect your river feeling is extremely accurate.

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12-02-2021 , 11:36 AM

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lol, yep. i give your typical bad reg credit for some turn air given how much A high hero has otf but i suspect your river feeling is extremely accurate.

Lol yeah it just screamed value on the river, so I did fold.

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12-02-2021 , 01:50 PM

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fyi this is an excellent example of a flop where we want a donking range. gtowizard donks 24% of range in 500nl basic.

with no postflop stats we can fold river. turn is close as it is

Would prefer a backdoor flushdraw if we are going to do this.

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12-02-2021 , 02:26 PM

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Would prefer a backdoor flushdraw if we are going to do this.

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I don’t donk myself, but GTOwizard does it pretty often even with a4o IIRC

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12-02-2021 , 02:35 PM

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I don’t donk myself, but GTOwizard does it pretty often even with a4o IIRC

I love donking but have temporarily stripped it out for the sake of simplicity.

That does not surprise me since we are denying so much equity that even if we are screwed once called, the bet did its job on the flop.

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12-02-2021 , 02:50 PM

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Yeah I'm not a donker either, I've completely just kind of ignored that side of the game for right now as I don't think it's a major deal to not have a donking range.

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12-02-2021 , 03:17 PM

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I think you should raise river here with this hand. And agree flop is donk.

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12-02-2021 , 04:03 PM

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I think you should raise river here with this hand. And agree flop is donk.

Can this guy find a fold with TT here? My experience bluffing like that at this limit has not been good personally.

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12-02-2021 , 06:20 PM

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So you will have 0 bluffs and only raise trips or better in this spot?

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12-02-2021 , 06:23 PM

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So you will have 0 bluffs and only raise trips or better in this spot?

Yeah I think against a 32/21/7 I’m having 0 bluffs here. Maybe a leak, but I find these types don’t fold over pairs which this really feels like. They may not like it, but they’ll grit their teeth and call.

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12-02-2021 , 06:43 PM

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Do you think by only raising value here villain ever adjusts by folding correctly? i.e. you never get paid off or paid off a lot less?

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12-02-2021 , 06:48 PM

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Do you think by only raising value here villain ever adjusts by folding correctly? i.e. you never get paid off or paid off a lot less?

Well I play in a state with legal online poker and I play on this site a lot that has a smaller player pool and I only have a couple hundred hands on him, so I don’t think a lot of adjustment is going on. If I see this player a lot more at my tables I’d definitely have to take that much more into consideration.

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12-02-2021 , 06:56 PM

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Fair enough. Yeah if you can get away with it, it's likely prudent. Just something to consider obviously.

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12-02-2021 , 07:10 PM

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Fair enough. Yeah if you can get away with it, it's likely prudent. Just something to consider obviously.

Yep I agree, I think its a good spot as I can have all the FH’s and quads, I just like to see a player regularly enough to make the bluffs worth it.

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12-02-2021 , 07:35 PM

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yeah I tend to think that if we want to fold out better hands we would need to either raise quite big OTR (and I don't know if the risk:reward is quite there) or x/r turn to set up a more plausible river value line. x/r'ing river doesn't really make a ton of sense with any combos except 77

If we think villain is full of **** we should just call

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12-02-2021 , 09:28 PM

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Why would you CR turn at all?

I would think standard line would be to check call 22, 44, 55 and also CR these on the river.

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12-02-2021 , 09:57 PM

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Why would you CR turn at all?

I would think standard line would be to check call 22, 44, 55 and also CR these on the river.

I would think our sets mostly want to x/r flop. With this particular combo I'm not sure how much sense it makes to x/r turn

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12-02-2021 , 11:48 PM

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Calling because we block AA and 44. Would fold 66, if anything.

we block AA 44 but what about KK-22?

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12-02-2021 , 11:56 PM

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we block AA 44 but what about KK-22?

gotta start somewhere lol

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12-03-2021 , 12:58 AM

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a3s is also a thing, while you'd expect the bulk of villain's bluffs to not contain an A or 4 but rather stuff starting with like JTss and going from there.

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