Villain is a winning 500z reg. Been discussing spot with some fellow grinders. Would like to hear discussion of all three streets.

Will spoil results and maths on this later.


Greetz.



PokerStars Zoom Hand #149795335112: Hold'em No Limit ($2.50/$5.00) - 2016/03/03 17:53:06 ET Table 'Lambda Velorum' 6-max Seat #1 is the button Seat 1: CRAIBaby ($659.88 in chips) Seat 2: T-Macha ($514.35 in chips) Seat 3: cr1sper ($530.49 in chips) Seat 4: Strz ($673.53 in chips) Seat 5: BigMataflix ($811.94 in chips) Seat 6: Ali ooohhh ($155.46 in chips)
T-Macha: posts small blind $2.50
cr1sper: posts big blind $5
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to CRAIBaby [Js Ts]
Strz: folds
BigMataflix: folds
Ali ooohhh: folds
CRAIBaby: raises $6.90 to $11.90
T-Macha: folds
cr1sper: raises $33.10 to $45
CRAIBaby: calls $33.10
*** FLOP *** [5h 6s Kd]
cr1sper: bets $45
CRAIBaby: calls $45
*** TURN *** [5h 6s Kd] [Tc]
cr1sper: bets $110
CRAIBaby: calls $110
*** RIVER *** [5h 6s Kd Tc] [Jh]
cr1sper: bets $330.49 and is all-in

HERO?

Call

I don't like the float, I like a flop fold and I don't really mind just folding Pre to the 3b as well.

As played, on the river , You beat AK/AA and all bluffs. You're near the top of your range and I think calling here is profitable.

Hi, thanks for the input.

This is 500z on stars, I can't fold JTs to a 3b IP. I agree that flop float is marginal but that's the only reason why I think this Kxx dry 3BP BB vs BU is even worth discussing.

I formulated some of my thought processes I had when I went over the maths afterwards. Feel free to respond to them:


1.
Do you think flop float might be too ambitious? Do you think it is better to float AQs, AJs rather than JTs? I would like to hear more input onto these floats as compared to JTs, depending on different turns, given board texture considerations. Floating JTs and hitting connecting cards might hit our range harder, making bluff jamming turns easier than AQ? On the other hand, AQ has immediate outs and it is easier to double float with equity/made hand?


2.
Do you agree that river is a snap call since we villain is def capable of merging AA, 65 and (maybe AK, probs check-calling)? (though we do block some bluffs such as AJ)


3.
I believe the most interesting decision of the specific hand is the turn. When we float the flop, which turns are we folding (easy), which turns are we bluff jamming, which turns are we double floating. Is it too ambitious to float then, bluff jam our low equity draws, since were probs not folding any Kx? Are we ever jamming Tx for protection vs his high equity bluffs? When we double float turn which rivers are we calling off? Which rivers are we folding?

River is a pretty clear call, flop is a fold. Turn is mixed as played. Change the K to a Q and then maybe you have a better argument for floating.

Why can't you fold to the 3b pre ? You're playing 100 BB deep. If you were 200-300 BB deep, I think calling is good. 100 BB deep, I just don't see how you will profit calling JTs vs a solid 3b range + aggression from PFR.

1. Yes . Floating AQ and AJ is obv better. AQ is probably the lightest I'd peel.

2. River is an obv call as played - u backed into 2 pr , pot laying you good odds , no way u can fold

3. Not many turns u can bluff jam and get a fold - don't think V is bet folding a large % of his double barrel range. Maaaaybe u get V to fold jf turn is 4,9 but again, I think this is getting into territory of FPS.

If we double float, were calling only if we improve. Folding everything else , which is like 90% of the time , hence floating is bad

i recommend a flop fold u have only jack hi no draw

agre after putting work in this that flop is prolyl slightly -ev call

because thsi is the toughest game in the world and you will get exploited harder than you think if you fold JTs to a 3b BU v BB.
after putting some thought into this AQs and AJs are fistpump folds compared to JTs which i now believe is ~0ev.

Yes i decided that i will not have much of a turn jamming range here in general. and river is snap call yup

thanks

The most interesting part of this hand is how to rank the order of 57s,44-22,JTs,AQs-AJs,QJs,79s,98s against his range.

I have a feeling that flop might be closer to a raise/fold than a call with AQs-AJs/JTs

But you loose to KJ, KK, JJ, TT, AQ, 66 and 55 and I cant really see many hands that would triple barrel after you called the turn on a relative dry board.

River is a fold to me

But i like the call otf, especially because of the backdoor

Pretty sure if you play the way you do, these people have you labeled as a calling station and this guy has a monster.

How can you fold when you're floating flop with this?

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What does your 3bet flatting range look like? JTs is not in mine since its a **** hand vs 3bet ranges usually and just way to expensive even when you flop some equity to continue.

lol @ folding pre (this spot is solved)
Think you wanna fold flop when he bets 45. I'd peel vs like 1/3-1/4 psb/also theres lots of better boards for this hand to call a bet with so I wouldn't worry about folding here
Otr guess u should call and win sometimes lose quite often

Once villains notice your folding like 75% of 3bs they will just started abusing this monster leak in your pf game mercicelesly and you will get punished in any game past 50nl

A good portion of the time he bets $110 on that turn, he has KK imo. AK/AA still play this way, too. I think, if villain has AK/AA in their value range on a Kxx board to begin with, that one OP who said replace the K with the Q was right. Could have 66/55, but I think those hands don't have more than a ~30% chance of 3-betting pre so I'm not worried about those sets all that much. This 3-bet size looks good for KK+ to 5-bet into whether you click it back or make it big when you 4-bet in this dynamic, hence my inclination towards premium hands predominating villain's range.

Gobsmacked to see people suggesting a fold pre in this spot. That's pure madness.

Flop peel vs that size is uber light but still in the "acceptable" territory imo; most likely -EV vs the vast majority of 500z pool tho.

After peeling that loose twice and rivering into 2p you can't really fold. Click call for a super low EV bluffacatch and move on.

so someone starts 3 betting more and you adapt by opening less and four betting a little wider. that's poker. you make a strategy, they make a counter strategy, you adapt, they adapt, and on and on it goes.

fold pre is definitely reasonable vs a tight range that is going to have you dominated a lot. your reverse implied odds are going to be a big problem. against a wide range it's a profitable call.

lol at folding pre vs reasonable reg......

Q high board better float, 100% call pre dw OP.

I agree

What does the queen change? The float is questionable in the first place a queen just adds more hands from his 3-bet range that's crushing JT. Against a competent opponent we're going to have to field a ton of check turns. Often we'll either find our selves bluffing river against a wide bluff catching range when we check turn or bluffing turn and being forced to give up. Riiiiight?


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