SB ($1041.17)
Hero (BB) ($1018.33)

Preflop: Hero is BB with XX:
SB bets $20, Hero raises $75, SB calls $60

Flop: ($170) 6, 3, J (2 players)
Hero bets $85, SB raises $215, Hero calls $130

Turn: ($600) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets $741.17 (All-In)

This is the first ~8 or so hands. This is my second three bet and the first was just the previous hand. He folded to my first three bet. My only reads on the guy is that he had opened every button so far. He had also raised to a different size preflop every hand (3x, 2.5x, 2.15ishx, 2x). Also, this is on a smaller site and I recognize all the normal HU regulars but hadn't seen this guy before. His sites status indicates that he'd played enough there to pay ~$2000 in rake on that site. Also, the guy showed up on PTR as a break even 6 max player for another site for lower stakes with a smallish sample, but it could also have easily been a different person. Nothing came back in Google.

So you are obviously calling KJ+ here. What worse hands, if any, do you call with?

im not folding any jack readless. its harder w TT and 99 cause we give him more chance to have a jack.

I'd stick to KJ+ if the turn was not a spade. Since it's a spade and he could have turned a draw with some random bluff raise on the flop I'm calling all jacks here. I'm folding 9s and 10s with no reads and no J blocker..

What do you put him on "readless" then?

10 hands in he could have anything w/ this early aggro dynamic + we get a lot of info @ SD on this board/action

This is an interesting spot. I feel like his range is so FOS and yours so bluff catcher heavy that this turn is a complete leveling war, so for me it comes down to whether im willing to pay for that info.

I like calling any Jx for card removal, Learning how light villain can value shove this turn will extend into so many different adjustments.

yea Jx imo

I agree with basically any Jx

i think i would fold J9. not sure about JT. would call QJ.

JT+

for people saying Jx... would you call with A8 (although unlikely for hero to have A8 as the hand is played)? because A8 and J2 don't have much difference here

A8 and J2 are pretty different here, if we have A8 he should have 50% more Jx in his range, considering it is already a close spot, that makes a hell of a difference

Prob click call with any Jx btw

I don't get why no one wants to put the villain on a range and that calling with J2+ is standard. Who takes his line as a complete bluff? I mean fk, if u double him 9 hands in he's leaving 99% of the time..

lol

agree with cpar1.

Because he can have everything from KQ to Q9 to spades to 65 to 99 to J9 to AJ to 66?

The range is implied in the replies: everyone wants to call Jx, but doesn't want to call it off with AQ or 77. This means 'he's fairly strong generally, but it's weird **** often enough to call J2 with the card removal' (especially because TT-99 card removal his draw)'.


I'm prob calling any hand I decide to call the flop with, which generally is Jx+ but could be 65 too.

yeah +1, it is a play based way more on experience/flow than explicit math (although the math would support it if the assumptions are right, it's not something you can just lay out like a normal range because it is x% random stuff that we beat). It could be anything from KQ to Q9 to spades...etc but obviously he doesn't do it 100% of the time with all the hands kaby mentioned and to weight the range is fruitless because approximating the frequencies with any accuracy is going to be impossible. Just from having AA or from calling Jx though most players get enough of a sample to believe that when there is an aggro gameflow early vs a fish we are good often enough with Jx.

Alright thanks for the replies, guys. I did call with 10s here after running down my very short time bank. I'd have folded most turns, too... just not that one since I felt like he'd have a random 79s type hand or spades so often. I thought about that during the hand even, but he just seemed so FOS to me I just had to call it. I also liked that my 10s took away a lot of his outs for the times he did show up with a draw.

I suppose I'll end up agreeing with Jx here, too... the blocker does make this a way less marginal spot big time. I think the biggest reason not to make a lighter call is that you are more likely to keep the match going by folding.

BTW Opponent showed up with what I thought was a really strange hand to be playing so aggressively, QJo.

TT is one of the worse hands to call turn with. I'd probably call KJ+.

Agreed, no reason to call with the worst hand

this would be true but sometimes ppl spazz out with 65/77/98

Did you calculate your hit and run EV?
or your Risk of Ruining my day EV?

In this hit and run world, I dunno that I'm calling with worse than AJ.

Don't 3bet junk readless within 8 hands and then you don't have to worry about if we should call with J2 here or not.

you mean 3betting J2s the 8th hand isn't standard vs someone buying in full?

"TT is one of the worse hands to call turn with."

Not sure where this comes from - the only down side of this is that you have blockers to a couple of his semi bluffs... but so do most hands. And like an average of 2-3 more outs when you're wrong with bottom pair? Are you sure you're correct here? Could your reasoning? I disagree because of what kaby wrote,

"this would be true but sometimes ppl spazz out with 65/77/98"

Also that you have way more equity against draws with 10s than you do 3/6x (you can take out all the overcard outs against his straight draws, and a spade against his FDs with my hand).

Having blockers to such a large % of his bluffing range here(pretty much every single one of his gutshots contains a T) is more important than average 6% equity you gain imo. If you have TT with the T of spades it becomes even worse. Would you rather he have 50% more bluffs, or have 5% more equity when he is bluffing?