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04-12-2010 , 08:50 AM
villain plays like 31/20 with a 5% 3bet over 1.8k hands
i saw him flat tt to AA oop for no specific reason A LOT
dont have any specific reason to think he is particularly good or bad, yet.

my overall image should be 25/20 to him, even though i played a lot tighter this session
i kinda feel i made some basic mistakes in this hand, but i thought this specific guy's range in this spot was not strong enough to take 180bb heat like always. esp after he just calls turn.




Hero (BTN): $1814.50
SB: $1000.00
BB: $2223.75
UTG: $591.75
MP: $3160.00
CO: $1148.50

Pre Flop: ($15.00) Hero is BTN with A 8
3 folds, Hero raises to $25, 1 fold, BB calls $15

Flop: ($55.00) 9 5 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $45.00, BB raises to $130, Hero raises to $380, BB calls $250

Turn: ($815.00) J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $450.00, BB calls $450

River: ($1715.00) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $959.50
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04-12-2010 , 09:27 AM
its impossible that this is horrible since, u know, good equity vs everything, but what u are doing on the flop is shutting out his badly dominated hands and keeping in the others.

as for later streets, thats definitely the way to play it once u play the flop liek that
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04-12-2010 , 09:28 AM
wow, how aggro is he post? does he c/r a lot? whats his w2sd?

i think u should provide us with more info for his postflopgame before givin any advice.
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04-12-2010 , 12:39 PM
ok, here are some more stats and notes:

31/20, steal 30, 3bet 5, af by street: 2,1/2.2/5.7 =2.4, cbet 66/45/50, fcb 25/43/67, checkraise: 13 overall, 17 flop, 7 turn, 9 river; wtsd 25, wonsd 52, wwsf 43

notes:

call ak sb, cr k24r, c turn, c river
call 3b utg ak, small raise axxss - i jam same hand
call aq pf lp, cr und get it in on qjxss
jam 77 vs 3b -mp vs bu,
CHECK TPGK 2x OOP on wet bd and snap turn + river, i vbet worse (4way flop)
3bets probably more w 200bb stacks
2barrel 983r 9 turn bvb, no sd
3bet-5bet 66 BB vs Bu

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i agree that i probably shut out most of his dominated range by 3betting the flop, but with these stacks i think it would be quite difficult to stack him once my outs hit. he checkraised and 3 bet me on a few occasions, i didnt fight back yet. i noticed him not giving up on the turn after his cbets or check-raises several times

btw: ptr shows him as a 2ptbb winner over 100k hands of mostly 5/10, probably half of his games were played HU, he is loosing at shorthanded tables

Last edited by horse84; 04-12-2010 at 12:47 PM. Reason: ask if you cant read my notes
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04-13-2010 , 08:07 AM
cmon guys, just come in and type:

a)spew
b)superspew
c)nh
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04-13-2010 , 08:51 AM
I think I prefer calling the flop.
If reraising the flop, I prefer a smaller bet.
As played turn and river look fine.
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04-13-2010 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by luegofuego
its impossible that this is horrible since, u know, good equity vs everything, but what u are doing on the flop is shutting out his badly dominated hands and keeping in the others.

as for later streets, thats definitely the way to play it once u play the flop liek that
this
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04-13-2010 , 07:10 PM
I think I would shove the turn. Wouldn't be stoked if I had a nuttish hand to bet 450 here.
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04-13-2010 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MTBlue
I think I would shove the turn. Wouldn't be stoked if I had a nuttish hand to bet 450 here.
I like a quick turn push here too, or bigger bet. You give him a hard dec. on the river that he could wrongly justify w/ 'pot commitment.' He may be scared of 2p/set w/ QQ but if he calls the turn I think he's ready to face the river bet.
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04-14-2010 , 05:05 AM
I am also fine with pushing the turn.
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04-14-2010 , 06:42 AM
I like the turn and river play after the flop trough, but I would make turn a bit higher, like $ 500 and then still push river. The problem with bigger turn bet which is not a shove is that if he calls it then he is pot committed so $ 450 is most definitely not the worst option. I don't like the push here since they always tend to lead to hero-calls as this line is so much scarier.

After the flop raise, which is okay/good against the particular villain since his tendencies of slowplaying big pockets, nh.
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04-14-2010 , 12:17 PM
i dont like a push neither. i think its tuff to b balanced here and i dont c how overbeting 2xpot on turn has the biggest ev.

i like how hero played the hand and i think villain has hard time calling here + villain is capable of laying down a hand. nh sir.
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04-14-2010 , 12:23 PM
i think 3bet flop, push turn is perfectly easy to balance. flopraise would have to be a lot bigger though
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04-14-2010 , 12:31 PM
I like your line, your range is nutty, your opponent's a bit weakish to call so deep on a very drawy board, think you still have a good FE on turn and river (and anyway a good equity on the flop)

there is just a sizing issue on the flop :

you can make it bigger between 420 and 480 ish on the flop and push turn (little overbet), I hate it (because you show you're committed, you will rarely do it like a pure bluff etc etc) but it seems more sexy than offering such odds on the river.

or make it smaller on the flop between 270 and 330 (better risk reward as a bluff, you can induce a shove with worse combo etc) so you can 2nd barrel ~400 in a 600 ish pot and shove ~1100 in a 1400 pot, which is definitely more sexy
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04-14-2010 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by horse84
i think 3bet flop, push turn is perfectly easy to balance. flopraise would have to be a lot bigger though
do you think that is better than the line you took?
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04-14-2010 , 01:02 PM
just call the flop raise!!

sure u won't stack him always once your outs hit, but you also won't ever get it in great on the flop by 3betting...

if u insist on 3betting, make it way smaller, this way he might call with worse FDs at least.
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04-14-2010 , 02:46 PM
Since villains notes say he resists folding turns after aggression on flops, then the sizing here is bad IMO. Villain gets ~3 to 1 on river so whats he going to
fold by the river that he calls turn with at this price?

If ur gonna take this type of line, then put maximum pressure on with a bit larger 3 bet on flop and shove turn. (which is what i would do with value hands as well and should appear as such)

I also think there are very few lower spades in villains range. CR flop 200bb deep villain should be strong, so im not sure just how fantastic it is going to be getting this in overall. I might flat the flop CR myself.
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04-14-2010 , 03:14 PM
Looks like villain range on the river is overpairs and i doubt he folds them given 3 to 1, the only hand he can fold i think is 67ss.
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04-14-2010 , 04:41 PM
YOU NEED TO SHOVE THAT FLUSH DRAW!!!!!!
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04-14-2010 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Love2AceYou
YOU NEED TO SHOVE THAT FLUSH DRAW!!!!!!
Im curious since the last four posts ive seen of yours have said to shove at all costs each time. Is this an out and out level / joke / urge to increase spew on the tables or anything else i am missing?
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04-14-2010 , 05:59 PM
I dont know why you play the flop the way you did.. unless you and "high variance" are a married couple.

But if you must 3bet this flop I would make it bigger to set up a slight-over-potsized jam on the turn.
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04-14-2010 , 06:28 PM
meh checking back the turn cant be that bad. bettings fine too, but i have a feeling we have zero folding equity on the turn, and we arent exactly pot committed with our equity ourselves.

not sure im a fan of the river bet after we bet the turn. cool hand though.
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04-15-2010 , 03:22 AM
vnh, i like it a lot

only other way to play imo is to just call his flop raise, but against a 31/20 your small 3bet is perfect
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04-15-2010 , 05:37 AM
think the 380 on 130 "small 3bet" is the worst part of the hand
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04-15-2010 , 10:01 AM
make the raise on the flop bigger and jam the turn if you must play like a agro isildur1 head.

personally i woulda called the flop. raised the turn and jammed the river.

Problem is i think he has a set here at least 25% of the time, a9 50% and hands like 910 25% the only had you will have any luck getting to fold of is 9 10 if you are lucky
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