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03-03-2024 , 12:51 PM
PokerStars - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 100 BB
BTN: 174.7 BB
Hero (SB): 101.4 BB
BB: 107.6 BB
UTG: 100 BB
UTG+1: 100 BB
MP: 279.8 BB
MP+1: 101.5 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN calls 3 BB, Hero raises to 13 BB, fold, UTG raises to 29 BB, fold, Hero calls 16 BB

Flop: (62 BB, 2 players) 6 2 8
Hero checks, UTG bets 29.6 BB, Hero raises to 72.4 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 41.4 BB and is all-in

Turn: (204 BB, 2 players) 5

River: (204 BB, 2 players) 7


Villain is 15/13 TAG, 3 bets 8%, 4 bets 7% (villain has shown up in the past with AJs+,AQo+, TT+, JTs) in 4b pots, but based on 4b number its probably not often enough in hindsight.

It looks like we have 50% equity vs TT+, AQo+ OTF. But when called we are doing badly, question is how many overcards does he need to have for this to be profitable.
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03-03-2024 , 12:54 PM
Flop is spew

Might even fold to the 4b in this configuration

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03-03-2024 , 01:26 PM
If he's (1) 4 betting somewhat light and (2) range betting flop, it's fine

(1) is questionable given it's UTG vs SB squeeze and a 15/13
(2) B50 doesn't feel like a range bet to me, so they could be checking back a lot of their worse hands
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03-03-2024 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Franchise804
Flop is spew

Might even fold to the 4b in this configuration

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Is that due to the tight 4b statistic?
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03-03-2024 , 02:10 PM
UTG has KK+
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03-03-2024 , 02:31 PM
In theory you can do stuff like this bc you need to push your equity against a range that will have some bluffs and pairs below KK, in practice you can't really. Should pry just fold pre against a 15/13, which isn't really a "TAG," they're just a nit. This person will maybe 4bet "light" in a COvsBTN spot against a more aggressive reg, but in this configuration your 3b range is already really tight

Nitty micro regs usually just have KK+, AK at the flop, and will just x behind AK every time. Some QQ is possible but that's it, the betting range is pretty just KK+. No regs really 4bet JJ-TT with these positions, and AQs should be a pure call anyway. AQo maybe possible, but I don't think it's likely
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03-03-2024 , 05:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by whitemares
In theory you can do stuff like this bc you need to push your equity against a range that will have some bluffs and pairs below KK, in practice you can't really. Should pry just fold pre against a 15/13, which isn't really a "TAG," they're just a nit. This person will maybe 4bet "light" in a COvsBTN spot against a more aggressive reg, but in this configuration your 3b range is already really tight

Nitty micro regs usually just have KK+, AK at the flop, and will just x behind AK every time. Some QQ is possible but that's it, the betting range is pretty just KK+. No regs really 4bet JJ-TT with these positions, and AQs should be a pure call anyway. AQo maybe possible, but I don't think it's likely
Good point. I am curious what you count as a nit or tag in full ring. I am 18/14 myself which i have considered a classical full ring tag. I tend to tag PFRs bellow 10 as nits and above as tags as long as VIP is lower than 18, and then LAGs as VIP starting from 19+ with close PFR. Where do you put your thresholds?
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03-03-2024 , 06:37 PM
Probably just a fold pre, pre-flop is a bit large btw
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03-03-2024 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by steinar96
Good point. I am curious what you count as a nit or tag in full ring. I am 18/14 myself which i have considered a classical full ring tag. I tend to tag PFRs bellow 10 as nits and above as tags as long as VIP is lower than 18, and then LAGs as VIP starting from 19+ with close PFR. Where do you put your thresholds?
I actually didn’t realize this was full ring - for 6 max generally anyone with a vpip under 20 is nitty. For fr you’re probably more correct, but I do think most regs at fr are playing tighter than they should even in theory, let alone in practice

But looking at the positions more closely, just snap fold everywhere lol
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