Villan is 32/22/1. Thoughts on my river fold. Thx.

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Dixon01 (BB): $431.00
ScanX (UTG): $400.00
CloudySky85 (MP): $406.00
Br0k3n_Aces (CO): $429.00
PrnceImrahil (BTN): $584.00
Hero (SB): $647.20

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero is SB with T T
3 folds, PrnceImrahil raises to $14, Hero calls $12, 1 fold

Flop: ($32.00) J T K (2 players)
Hero checks, PrnceImrahil checks

Turn: ($32.00) A (2 players)
Hero bets $22, PrnceImrahil calls $22

River: ($76.00) K (2 players)
Hero bets $72, PrnceImrahil raises to $548 all in, Hero folds

Final Pot: $220.00
PrnceImrahil wins $217.00
(Rake: $3.00)

not 3 betting pre is really bad. yeah fold riv.

the liklyhood that he has AA is veryveryveryvery small, but its probably the only thing what makes sense

sorry for the non-construcitve post but i have no clue what im doing, but i dont hate a fold.

btw. i like donking what do you think?

was going for the checkraise

I'm not a huge fan of the turn bet. I mean I guess I could see villain calling the turn w/ an A or some other pair because you are repping a Q for the most part. The more I think about it the more I like betting the turn against certain opponents. But you have to be careful, because most opponents will never put you on a boat on the river and you can't bet/call Qx...

rly?

your hand is completely and utterly underepped here and you has a boat. i call here all day

would he really not bet AA/AK/KJ on flop? thats sorta hard to believe. unless he had KK or JJ and was 'slowplaying'.

the hand is really weird. esp river action. i'd think about calling. idk. depends on villain/history

good post. there is just (almost) no worse hand that is calling the turn that is not c-betting this flop. and given that your hand looks like a Q and the only hand for villain making sense is AA tilts that towards a call. but dont bet the turn and things are different...

I don't think so. I think on these threads people like to make dismissive comments on preflop play a lot. For one, though, it's generally difficult to criticize preflop play, especially in isolated circumstances, because before the flop you really do have a lot of freedom in terms of what you can profitably get away with, and also because you really should not be acting uniformly all the time.

Not acting uniformly is key in the long run, which is why I think it's silly to say that not reraising preflop here is really bad. I think a reraise with TT in this spot should probably be considered as the strongest course of action in most cases, but if you want to call sometimes that's just fine, IMHO.

do not agree that not 3betting preflop is a huge mistake.
But about donking turn i agree, there is no need in this bet. As for river i can't see this guy not betting his 2pairs/set hand on such flop, and maayybee hes pushing his Q, who knows. I'm inclined to call this sh**t, but be reade to see AA

3betting preflop is prob a bigger mistake than not doing so
don't bet turn (whats your line when raised?), as played NEVER EVER EVER folding (chked back flop=cant have 2pr+)

above is true only when villain is a tagreg, given AF idk wtf is going on so everything might change

pf does not have to be a 3bet. it's ok to flat here.

turn bet is pretty bad imo. River is probably a fold since villain can have both AK and AA in his flop check/turn call range. In fact that's probably how I'd play both of those hands. KJ and JJ would both bet the flop so we can take those out of his range. it's just a question of how often he would make this huge overbet shove with a bluff vs how often he's going to show you the nuts. I think it's a great spot to value over bet because if you have KJ and TT you're going to be really tempted to call against this line, and some terrible players might call with a Q to try and get a chop. So I'm folding.

i gotta see what he has too

prove it to me

I think preflop is fine, and I think this is a fold vs most. I guess i'd call vs spewier villains but wouldn't be very happy about it.

Weird hand. Since your hand is supposed to be a queen, would he try to bluff you off it? A thinking player knows you "can't call" with a Q here, right? But then what is he calling the turn with? Does anyone really check back AK/AA/KJ/KT/KK/JJ on a flop that drawy?

Yeah, seems like he's turning QJ/AJ into a bluff.

How does villain ever have a boat here? He must have checked some TPTK type of hand behind on the flop. He watched the new DJ sensei series!!

god editing is not an option ?

actually i think riv is more of a fold now given that he can have AK very easily and even though thats only one hand, its a very significant one

I'd check back AK and AA on this flop all day. If you bet flop and villain c/r's you are in a pretty wtf spot and probably can't make a +EV decision. With either of those hands on that flop you want to keep the pot small and give villain a chance to bluff or value cut himself on later streets.

So if I'm villain I can show up with a boat here a lot Not JJ or KJ or KT, but with AK or AA.

But obviously I'm not villain and he might play that entirely different than I would and this could be a fist pump call. I just think it's way to big of an overbet to try and knock you off a chop.

Against me it's a fold, but against this guy I'm not so sure. Villain's sizing is awful if he wants to get value from QJ, given that OP folded a boat.

Don't tell it in public!!!

Of course it's good to check behind stuff to get value on later streets.

We just bet all day against passive fish/regs.

this guy was like "im gonna raise huge against this guys range which very well could contain boats as well as a ton of straights because im going to get him to fold"?

I've made way better moves and people snapped, and it was 200bb deep.

lol yeah cause people reference old 2p2 posts when playing 8 tables of MSNL

I mean, sure, but that doesn't mean people don't make bluffs like this.

Reading what everyone had to say, there have been some good points made and it seems pretty close. I think a bluff makes sense, given the flop action, and he could be thinking exactly as holdme suggests (though perhaps he didnt believe it to be true): I'm going to make a big bet to move this guy off a chop. I feel like people do this all the time. They figure they're making a relatively low-risk play and forcing their opponent into a big decision for half the pot. The thinking goes more like "He wont fold a straight for a small bet, but how can he call with a big bet, and if he does have a straight and calls anyway, I'm fine here." I don't think a villain in this spot is thinking so much about trying to make OP fold a house.

At the same time, AA and AK are really quite reasonable. Sure, we'd expect a bet on the flop, but a check here is good from a pot-control perspective, as has been pointed out.

It could just be one of those spots where it's close enough taht the EV is about the same either way. I think a fold is fine, though myself i'm probably talking myself into a call and either dancing around the room or banging my head against the wall wondering why I don't just quit poker.