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08-03-2010 , 10:02 PM
Villian has 16% raise cbet and 16% call otb. Both are on the high side, especially the raise cbet %.

We have no history this session, and most likely not much all together as i didnt have any notes on him. I do know that he is a good winning reg.

No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00 BB (5 handed) - Hold'em Manager Hand Converter from HandHistoryConverter.com

BB ($505.90)
Hero (UTG) ($764)
MP ($818)
Button ($543.80)
SB ($148)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, A
Hero bets $14, 1 fold, Button calls $14, 2 folds

Flop: ($34) K, 5, J (2 players)
Hero bets $20, Button raises $60, Hero calls $40

Turn: ($154) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $115, Hero calls $115

River: ($384) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $354.80 (All-In), Hero calls $354.80

Total pot: $1093.60
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08-03-2010 , 10:33 PM
this is a spew usually unless you have a sick sick dynamic. if he checkraises a lot and will barrel a ton, im pretty sure checking back the flop is a great play because it balances well
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08-03-2010 , 10:55 PM
this can't be good... u' r UTG and he's button, he know u have a decent hand, so I dont think he's bluffing,....

plus his range is a lot of SC, AxS, JJ-55.... I think u overplayed the hand
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08-03-2010 , 11:07 PM
If this guy is gettin out of line raising cbets, I 3bet this flop

As played, river is a pretty easy fold I think
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08-04-2010 , 01:52 AM
Fold river, I could see myself even folding turn.
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08-04-2010 , 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by tsojojojojojojo
Fold river, I could see myself even folding flop.
lol
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08-04-2010 , 07:32 AM
How many people here raise sets IP on mono flop?
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08-04-2010 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by TheeeAmbien
If this guy is gettin out of line raising cbets, I 3bet this flop
this doesnt make sense to me? why would you 3 bet the flop vs anyone here, especially if you thought they were messing around a ton? Im assuming you are 3 betting to get it in?... and that has to be bad 150bbs deep
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08-04-2010 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ObsidianOrder
How many people here raise sets IP on mono flop?
Everyone?
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08-04-2010 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by nemodonk
this is a spew usually unless you have a sick sick dynamic. if he checkraises a lot and will barrel a ton, im pretty sure checking back the flop is a great play because it balances well
we are oop


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Originally Posted by astro
this can't be good... u' r UTG and he's button, he know u have a decent hand, so I dont think he's bluffing,....

plus his range is a lot of SC, AxS, JJ-55.... I think u overplayed the hand
we are HJ, player is sitting out.

How many hands does he expect me to call down with when we're 135bb deep?

i agree with this reply more if we are 100bb
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08-04-2010 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RollinHand
lol
I ment folding turn. Absolutely now idea how I managed to brainfart and type flop.
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08-04-2010 , 12:53 PM
You didn't. I FYP. Meaning that I don't think folding the flop is a disaster as long as you don't make it too obvious that you give up that easy.
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08-04-2010 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by RollinHand
You didn't. I FYP. Meaning that I don't think folding the flop is a disaster as long as you don't make it too obvious that you give up that easy.
Oh... Just too used to thinking one thing and writing the other...

Well there's generally nothing wrong with taking a b/c c/f line. If we didn't take it ever villain should always give up his bluffs, making b/c c/f a really good line w our hand. Of the hands I'd b/c flop with, AK w/o heart is one of the worst and I'd much much rather c/c turn with QhQx.

EDIT: misread your post, though you were saying b/f >>> b/c c/f... Drunk posting ITT...
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08-04-2010 , 05:00 PM
fwiw he had 53o w/ no heart. I realize he has a decent amount of value hands since he is most likely flatting a lot of suited connectors and one and two gappers but at the same time, most of my range has a hard time continuing here and the slightly deeper stacks make me think his bluff frequency will go up more than it would for an average reg since he already has higher than average aggression in position vs. the pfr.

1 sentence = 1 paragraph... awesome?

anyway, it "felt" like he was bluffing, and i was right, but if he would have turned over 86hh and i posted this hand i'd probably be convinced i spewed. Some spots really give me trouble in the sense that i can't accurately figure out whether or not i made a mistake and if so how big of a mistake it was.
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08-04-2010 , 05:22 PM
Such a small flop raise would lean my range more towards flush/air than 55.

I think in general when you decide to go into c/c down mode and somewhat turn your hand face up (not that you wouldn't ever play a flopped flush like this), have a good reason to do so against said opponent. In this situation based on your OP it doesn't sound like you did, but ultimately it sounds like you trusted a feeling you had and hero called the river. As you know, kind of difficult to give feedback when you're making gut calls. NH though.
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08-04-2010 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by NxtWrldChamp
this doesnt make sense to me? why would you 3 bet the flop vs anyone here, especially if you thought they were messing around a ton? Im assuming you are 3 betting to get it in?... and that has to be bad 150bbs deep
If this guy is capable of raising 53o on the flop, is 3 betting the flop still bad? ... Or are you just c/c'ing these types down all day... I just see a wide part of his range including hands with one heart, and he's in position, don't really like giving these types free cards... We're only 135bb's deep too
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