i noticed since i moved up from 25nl that players 3bet and squeeze WAY to much. at 25NL i never say a squeeze, quite possibly ever. I mean its done so much that its just so obvious. i read books where the authors say its not a known strategy or whatever at uNL. but thats BS because its virial, everybody does it. it never fails. a raise, a call, a squeeze, 50% of the time. no ****. i mean what i am suppose to do against that? ( if i am initial raiser from EP, say) should i just shove the following range {AJs+, TT+} and say go ahead ****er make my day? thoughts?

hm. i havent noticed it, but i watch tv and cruise the internet while four tabling....

how IS your EP raising range? mine is AJ+ and TT+ usually. AJ and AQ can be folded, but if i'm being squeezed a lot (like you say) then i'm eliminating AJ and 3betting AQ+ and 99+.

and this is all dependent on the table and the squeezer's stats.

Looks like you answered your own question. Tighten up and start shoving, or 4bet bluff (not recommended)

i think your table selecting skills suck

It hardly ever happens at 1/2 so I know it can't happen often at 50nl and fwiw almost everyone at 50nl doesn't squeeze anywhere near often enough

HM has an option for Squeeze percentages in its HUD and I think the highest I've ever seen someone with a decent sample size at 50NL was like 13%. Typical seems to be 3-5%.

It's happens rarely enough at these stakes that I don't even know why I have it in there.

Combined with a large bankroll that is a good defence (as long as you estimate ranges correctly, still need to keep track of the players that do not squeeze)

That being said, I haven't really noticed it run rampart before 400NL and at 100NL I rarely notice, so I'm with kolo here

I play at FTP and hardly ever see people squeezing.

Whats site do you play at OP?

If it's Party Poker, then anytime you have a few Germans at the table, you can pretty much guarantee they are going to be squeeze monkeys, even at NL50.


It's much more evident there than at Stars NL50 and NL100 IME.

I rarely see much squeeaing, or crazy 3 betting at nl50. Sometimes you'll get a session where you're just getting squeezed constantly, or a player that keeps 3 betting you. But overall there isn't all that much.

NL100 I found a lot more. And I remember when I moved up from NL25 to nl50 I thought the same as you. Just have to adjust. At nl25 people 3 bet like AK, QQ+ most of the time from what I remember. But at nl50 you get more people 3 betting AQ, 99+, and 3 betting your button raises light oop. Sure you'll adjust, maybe table select a little better.

[x] squeeze defense.

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: $75.10
UTG: $30.30
Hero (MP): $151.65
CO: $92.90
BTN: $103.05
SB: $113.85

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with Q T
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.75, 1 fold, SB raises to $7.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $21, 2 folds

yea just gamble it up more when you play higher

fwiw I think 4-bet shoving is def the worst way to exploit squeezy players

I must be playing in the wrong games, because iPoker is a non-stop, 24-hour, wall-to-wall 3bet/4bet/squeeze-fest. I find it incredible that people at other sites say they don't see it much.

Anyway, I try to tell myself this about being owned by 3betters: he can take $1.75 from me 3 times, and as long as the 4th time I 4bet him, or have a hand I can play, I win in the long run. I really think 3betting in general is massively overrated because us microtards just don't have the skill to hold onto the 3 $1.75s we make, and tend to spew it back the 4th time we try it and get caught. That's a lot of effort to end up losing money.


Ed: BTW, I have one reg in my db who 3bets 15% of the time. Crazy. And yeah, he's deeply in the red over my sample on him.

mistakes are magnified in 3bet pots so yeah, if your constantly in 3bet pot+your making "small" mistakes those mistakes are costing you like 1/2->a full buyin.

4betting is not exploitation, it is just plain old defence (in other word with the right frequency it makes you unexploitable)

meh i'm not usually seeking an unexploitable strategy. I'm more seeking the most profitable strategy. So if calling preflop and betting the flop when checking to (or otherwise folding) or calling pre and just jamming over the cbet is the most profitable, then I'd do that.

Math wise I think you'll find shoving needs folds around 40-50% of the time, and that if he isn't bluffing very often your going to see a big negative profit.

Theoretically isn't = the way I play either ... cos let's face it, at uNL and SSNL we are not really seing much of villians ... and history is kinda meh, since those you see much of have a tendency to multitable massively and not pay attention anyway.

But if we are ever to look at it theoretically, then just going in this hand you need bluffs so and so is not going to make it, if your range gets so small he can play perfect. So you do this range vs range thing instead.


Still this is more relevant as defence vs 3bets, a common situation than squeezes.



But there are more relevant things to work on than squeeze dfence at uNL

Most of these are not squeezes per say. Most of them I would imagine are someone with a strong hand that is reraising. There are some squeezes as bluffs, but not near as many as you have lead yourself to believe.

eh, maybe i am just running bad. running into monsters or maybe i am 3betting to much myself or just too aggressive in general, and players are just playing back at me. but 50nl at FTP is a lot harder than 25nl at UB that's for damn sure. I get floated, squeezed, 3bet, lead into, donk bet and shoved on far more often than i ever did at 25NL.

its a struggle.

4-betting to 25-30bb > 4-bet shoving imo

If someone3 bets loose oop PF I've been personally having sucess with calling, floating, etc.. and taking pots away if you have some reads on a player. Some time 4 bet lite, but I've been finding if you go to like 30bb's I've been getting shoved over by like A7, KQ etc... So not really a bad plan to 4 bet small with AA vs. those guys.

Kind of over rolled so I've been doing it more latly. Soemtiems atc just for the practice mostly of playing in 3 bet pots in position vs the right players. DEfinitly think it can be +EV.