[LOW] 3bet pot - Flop Decision - Page 2 - Micro Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

In my sim either jams or call this combo EV is around 3BB.
Raising range is lot of JJ QQ and then bunch of other hands with low frequency (over cards 8x 77 even AQ) sets and AK are pure calls for IP.

Sweet. I got the same 3BB mistake for folding.

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09-20-2021 , 05:02 PM

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3bb is like 4% of the pot if you call. nit regs at these stakes definitely are not playing within 4%

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09-20-2021 , 05:21 PM

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3bb is like 4% of the pot if you call. nit regs at these stakes definitely are not playing within 4%

confirmed nit reg

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09-20-2021 , 05:32 PM

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confirmed nit reg

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I thought we talked about this already

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Okay I'm still learning to pull better population reports, but I think I got this one figured out.

There's only 12 hands in my database for this month where SB/BB 3-bet and IP raises the flop c-bet, AND I have the hole cards.

Out of those 12 instances, only 4 of them were by strong/nutted hands.

TT on KK2tt
TT on JT3r
J7 on J76tt
T6s on 532tt
A7o on KQ5tt
64s on J72tt
55 on AJ9r
T8o on K76tt
A7 on A66
KK on T82tt
QT on QT9tt
AJo on Q92tt

I'm downloading the HHs everyday, so hopefully in the next month or so I'll have a much larger sample, and we can revisit.

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09-20-2021 , 05:46 PM

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I thought we talked about this already

Oh yeah I forgot! Thanks for the reminder.

Those reports are gold.

Gotta put this in my notes.

What do you think is the best counter to this? Just ship everything or maybe call with hands like AA/TT/88 and let him bluff off?

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09-20-2021 , 05:54 PM

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For me personally, it depends on how comfortable I am calling multiple streets OOP with a pure bluff catcher. If I'm not as comfortable, but my hand has equity, then I would mix more between jamming and folding.

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09-20-2021 , 05:55 PM

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Interesting population report.

Wouldn't have expected that tbh, maybe because mainly fish are raising here?

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09-20-2021 , 06:01 PM

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Interesting population report.

Wouldn't have expected that tbh, maybe because mainly fish are raising here?

That was my assumption as well.

I actually got better at the reports, so here's a little more data.

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09-20-2021 , 06:02 PM

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Makes sense. Are those reports from 25nl?

Stakes probably don't matter a ton since 25nl and 100nl is the same pretty much.

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09-20-2021 , 06:11 PM

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Makes sense. Are those reports from 25nl?

Stakes probably don't matter a ton since 25nl and 100nl is the same pretty much.

Mostly 25nl, and a little 50nl and 10nl

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09-20-2021 , 06:16 PM

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Mostly 25nl, and a little 50nl and 10nl

cool. I think even at 200nl you will probably see this trend. There seems to be a pretty big difference between 200nl and 500nl on Ignition from the people I've talked too.

Thanks for the updated reports.

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09-20-2021 , 06:32 PM

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I can imagine villain calling pre and raising flop with deuces for value, even on stars nl 25 when i raise such flops i get called with hand like aq sometimes, just supprised so many here want to snap fold

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09-20-2021 , 06:37 PM

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You aren't supposed to have a raising range here as IP - that's what makes it a weird spot without looking at data.

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09-20-2021 , 06:47 PM

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You aren't supposed to have a raising range here as IP - that's what makes it a weird spot without looking at data.

It could be a reason why so many russian regs in my pool are not convinced i have much when I raise similar spots (and they are right!)

It's comeback of Yeti theorem

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09-20-2021 , 08:56 PM

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I can imagine villain calling pre and raising flop with deuces for value, even on stars nl 25 when i raise such flops i get called with hand like aq sometimes, just supprised so many here want to snap fold

No info on V. Without any info have to assume V is a reg/unk. After spoiler V probably a rec. This info changes flop strategy and I would probably bet smaller or xc or xr since their probe range is going to be super wide. Still hard to say because theoretically V play is a punt but exploitativly it's probably printing. Maybe V is just a sicko reg.