Poker Stars $55.00+$2.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 30825
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BTN/SB: t1550 M = 10.33
Hero (BB): t1450 M = 9.67

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BB with 9 7
BTN/SB calls t50, Hero checks

Flop: (t200) 9 J 5 (2 players)
Hero bets t200, BTN/SB calls t200

Turn: (t600) A (2 players)
Hero bets t300, BTN/SB calls t300

River: (t1200) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t950 all in, Hero ????


Villian has been tight aggresive but when he has bet its generally been between 25-50% of pot. As the blinds have gone up he has been a little more loose aggresive though. Is this an easy fold? Was my play on flop and turn ok?

Sorry - post was supposed to be titled 57.5 hu sng

Pretty easy fold on river. You played the hand too aggressively on flop and turn imo, esp since your oop.

I'm not sure though, I don't play that high, so yeah.

Why pot-bet the flop?

The turn is a good card to DB imo, there's a couple of draws out there and this hits none of them. Him limping pre-flop also means him having an ace is unlikely so it's a good scare card also.

I'm folding river all the time.

I would have bet between 130-150 on the flop and then the same 300 you did on the turn except it wouldn't be half-pot this way. And then i give up river to his push, i don't think you can bet/fold this river tbh.

I sometimes shove preflop if villain's limps are weak and I haven't shoved over a limp yet.

I bet 120-140 on the flop, then if he calls 270 on turn and shut down unimproved; you kinda butchered the hand with potting the flop imo.

It's definetely not a scard card for villain, because 99% of people shove Ax 15xbb deep when opponent limps.

It's much more a scard card for a hero.

River is an easy fold. Unless he has missed straight, which is a small part of his range, you're beat.

Well if villain is chasing a draw calling pot bets then i'm pretty sure he's bad and he won't even think about what you just said.

And it isn't a scare card for hero lol

It's actually a decent card for hero, imo.

wtf...

c/c flop

reevaluate turn

flop lead is crazy spew on this kind of board

@All_or_nothing: I didn't mean it's a scare card for hero, maybe I didn't express myself clear enough

What I mean't was that A should be - although it is actually a good card for us - more of a scard card for hero than it is for villain (assuming he is thinking opponent)

Hmmm... I would lead almost always here and although I admit it may not be optimal play, it is not a crazy spew either.

Pros of leading:
- lots of the time villain folds and surrender his equity which is always a nice result if we have a weak hand
- we gain value from draws and weaker made hands
- we can bluff more, without being clearly exploitable, if we add made hands like this into our betting distribution
- if we pick one of our 5 outs on turn we have an initiative and bloated pot

Pros of not leading:
- I guess pot control
- and we can get some value from opponent's bluff but on this board we actually aren't really too happy about calling his bet, because his betting distribution will be better made hands, draws and some pure bluffs, which makes us pretty much indiferent about calling if we assume he can continue with some bluffing on turn as well.

I don't know, maybe checking is better, but not by much. Depends on your overall style also.

hokiegreg,
Could you explain the thought process behind why it is spewy on this type of board? My thinking was to take it down while you likely have the best hand and not give home him a chance to hit on turn and river.
thanks

I liked the previous post re pros and cons btw.

Yeah i'd love it if you could explain it as well HG.

Is it because we don't want to be raised off this pot by a draw? and by taking a c/c line, we control the pot and can see if the turn is safe and then make our minds up without the pot being bloated?

If it's not above or similar to that then i'm lost

there is little point in leading the turn. the logic behind it is to charge for loose floats and draws? if Op is stupid he probabbly will called with loose draws, but the better part of his calling range would be better 9X, Jx, and of course Ax. also since OP is seen to be tight aggro, he would be less likely to float with garbage.

I would c/r turn, and open up his stabbing range, and bluffs for repping a A. and if he has a 9 or J he is actually less likely to bet out IMO

FLOP bet is wayyya to much, would bet 110
c/c flop is probabbly the best way to play it

With this hand out of position and the blind levels I don't mind to check it down. I like c/c flop, leading is also fine but not that good. As we are risking to get raised right here, or if villain calls and using his position bets on later streets. So look for his personal tendencies if he's capable of that. OP said villain became more of a LAG, so I think this confirms my idea.

Betting the flop I'm relying on fold equity or praying to check the hand down on later streets.

To OP, bet flop less if you want at all and don't turn your hand into a bluff on the turn.

^^^^^THIS IMO^^^^^

The flop pot is pretty silly tbh.

leading on the flop with a pot size bet with middle pair i think is bad.
i think leading with a PSB (of 200 chips) is something you want to do with air, or with top pair or better, because villain is going to put you on a bluff many times. so you want to take advantage of it if you have top pair or better, and you want to take a stab at the pot and give up if you have air.

with middle pair a more standard play is more appropriate.

I have no idea about the quality of play at these sit n gos but i like the flop bet but im prolly slowing down on the turn and just check folding if he bets.

why would you c/c the flop? So many cards come on the turn and you are just absolutely clueless throughout the entire hand.

Ok, so now I am really confused! We can c/c and maintain pot control or we can bet out and define out hand. I thought betting out was the best way but now I'm really unsure.

I've thought about this spot and i now think both plays can be good at the right times against the right villain.