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10-30-2008 , 01:43 PM
Villain allows limps, raises his button a lot and stabs at pots, but often folds to my 3bets.

Poker Stars $30.00+$1.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
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BB: t825
Hero (BTN/SB): t2175

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with 2 7
Hero calls t10, BB checks

Flop: (t40) 7 J 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t30, BB calls t30

Turn: (t100) 5 (2 players)
BB bets t80, Hero raises to t320, BB raises to t775 all in, Hero calls t455

River: (t1650) 5 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Last edited by Trankuility; 10-30-2008 at 01:55 PM. Reason: For clarification
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10-30-2008 , 01:45 PM
seems sort of fine if he'll stack off with jackx here but i think you are behind vs any competent villian
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10-30-2008 , 01:50 PM
Probably enough there for you to stack off with at 40bb, but I'm not a huge fan of the preflop play.

The main reason to limp a hand like 72s here (or even to raise it) in my mind would be for the fold equity. Vs a villain that raises a lot and stabs a lot, you don't have much fold equity unless you have a good hold on when and where to bluff a player like this.

Getting back to the hand, you could have flatted the turn bet if you didn't want to get it in here. The more I look at it, the more I'd prefer you to just flat the turn bet.

A) You have position, so you can bluffcatch/value bet the river.

B) Even if the river brings a flush card, he'll likely check a flush to you at least some of the time.

If you know he stacks off with any decent flush draw, any jack, any straight draw, then you might want to take the line as played.

Also, I would never raise/fold this turn, especially vs a villain like you describe, so if you prefer to raise this turn, my advice is to click "call' as fast as you can when he shoves.
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10-30-2008 , 01:54 PM
Oh, I should have been more clear. He doesn't raise my limps. When I said he raises preflop I meant he raises his button a lot. That make a difference?

-Gonna change OP to be more clear now.
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10-31-2008 , 07:26 AM
i would not limp 72s even if you are are going to see a flop alo of the time, when u hit a hand its never totaly strong, like this hand
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10-31-2008 , 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by nathan
i would not limp 72s even if you are are going to see a flop alo of the time, when u hit a hand its never totaly strong, like this hand
That's stupid. Of course we were "totally strong" on this flop.

And the whole point is that we have position and win a lot of pots by virtue of that. He's not trying to flop the nuts.
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10-31-2008 , 09:16 AM
yeah we are strong on flop but turn we dont really beat much except jx, yeah we have postion but with such a **** hand are u saying play ATC in position to try and win lots of small pots? whats normally going to be the best of this hand we hit bottom - top pair no kicker or bottom pair no kicker then we have to try and extract value from them holdings i think its bad to limp these sort just cause we have the power of position
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10-31-2008 , 10:26 AM
Spewy limp IMHO.

As played, flat turn and reevaluate river. I cant see villain turn bet with nothing without a flush.
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10-31-2008 , 12:02 PM
people saying this is spew, please explain it to me.

if the guy rarely raises limps and plays straightforward after the flop, you can just limp and bet every flop.

he's only flopping a gutshot or better like half the time. you're close to break just by betting 30 every time he checks to you, even if you insta give up any time he calls. add to that equation that you sometimes flop pairs or fd's and even just checking it down to the river every time after he calls you on the flop would make you money. throw in the fact that you can profitably two barrel or value bet pairs+ and it's easily +cEV.

you have position against a passive player who isnt good at poker, with suited cards. limping is fine
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11-01-2008 , 12:28 PM
I just call turn, and fold to a big value bet on river unless I'm against a player with no clue.
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11-01-2008 , 01:06 PM
If I happen to play one of the few decent villains I'm probably flat calling turn instead of raising. Against bad ones I might raise turn.

As played I probably raise slightly less on the turn (240 to 280) but I don't think that's gonna change anything really.
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11-01-2008 , 01:21 PM
I hate the pre-flop limp fo sure.. I am dumping this pre-flop or raising to try to take it down pre-flop only... as played I am not getting away from this NEVER! He has J or *possibly* a flush draw (I suspect jack though) and/or made flush on turn, but we have outs and the 5 gives us a 'fist pump' win.
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11-01-2008 , 08:49 PM
I don't quite understand the turn raise, it's a bit borderline IMO. I don't know that he always calls a raise with a Jack, and it stops him from bluffing another street.
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11-02-2008 , 03:12 PM
Call is better on turn imo.
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