This thread had probably run its course, but anyway
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Originally Posted by Jailblazers
Can someone just post 20 hands or so of how they played JJ (vs solid TAGs if you can), and then we can analyze the individual scenarios and what may have been the optimal play. I think this may help alot to figure out what's best.
Looking through my latest database, through 30,000 hands, I have maybe 15 hands where I was in the button and had JJ with a raise in front of me. Here is every single time I have cc'd with JJ on the button over the last 30,000 hands, plus some 3bets thrown in. I seem to have 3bet JJ at least twice as much as I have cold-called over this sample, but I didn’t bother to check villains’ stats so I don’t know why I have chosen to cold-call or 3bet. When I have 3bet, villains have called about 1/3 of the time and folded about 2/3.
1a. Here are 3 hands where we get the value we hope for when we 3bet.
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UTG: $25.00
CO: $22.01
Hero (BTN): $26.25
SB: $31.09
BB: $25.15
Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with J
J
1 fold,
CO raises to $1,
Hero raises to $3,
2 folds, CO calls $2
Flop: ($6.35) 2
2
3
(2 players)
CO checks,
Hero bets $4, CO folds
1b.
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SB: $51.50
BB: $66.25
UTG: $26.03
Hero (CO): $57.40
BTN: $85.70
Pre Flop: Hero is CO with J
J
UTG raises to $2,
Hero raises to $5.50,
3 folds, UTG calls $3.50
Flop: ($11.75) Q
6
3
(2 players)
UTG checks,
Hero bets $6, UTG folds
1c
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SB: $51.50
BB: $66.25
UTG: $26.03
Hero (CO): $57.40
BTN: $85.70
Pre Flop: Hero is CO with J
J
UTG raises to $2,
Hero raises to $5.50,
3 folds, UTG calls $3.50
Flop: ($11.75) Q
6
3
(2 players)
UTG checks,
Hero bets $6, UTG folds
2a. Here cold calling is probably +EV, since villain probably doesn’t call a 3bet with any hand he folds on this flop.
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BB: $42.25
UTG: $50.00
MP: $98.90
CO: $62.30
Hero (BTN): $52.75
SB: $60.35
Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with J
J
UTG raises to $2,
2 folds, Hero calls $2,
2 folds
Flop: ($4.75) 3
8
2
(2 players)
UTG bets $3,
Hero raises to $10, UTG folds
2b. Here I think villain folds to 3bet pf and I lose some value.
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Hero (CO): $40.26
BTN: $23.30
SB: $29.29
BB: $17.35
UTG: $22.49
Pre Flop: Hero is CO with J
J
UTG raises to $0.75, Hero calls $0.75,
1 fold, SB calls $0.65,
1 fold
Flop: ($2.50) 7
2
Q
(3 players)
SB checks,
UTG bets $1, Hero calls $1, SB folds
Turn: ($4.50) 4
(2 players)
UTG checks,
Hero bets $3, UTG folds
2c. Here is a hand where if villain folds to my 3bet pf, it would have been very –EV. But based on the way villain played this hand, they may not be folding pf.
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BB: $18.55
UTG: $37.58
MP: $25.48
CO: $38.43
Hero (BTN): $24.65
SB: $61.19
Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with J
J
UTG raises to $1.50,
2 folds, Hero calls $1.50,
2 folds
Flop: ($3.35) 9
4
3
(2 players)
UTG bets $4,
Hero raises to $12, UTG calls $8
Turn: ($27.35) 5
(2 players)
UTG bets $12, Hero calls $11.15 all in
River: ($49.65) A
(2 players - 1 is all in)
3. Here is the worst thing that can happen when you 3bet JJ:
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UTG: $18.90
MP: $50.00
Hero (CO): $50.00
BTN: $72.15
SB: $49.00
BB: $68.50
Pre Flop: Hero is CO with J
J
1 fold,
MP raises to $2,
Hero raises to $6,
3 folds,
MP raises to $17,
1 fold
4. With TT, but could have been JJ If I 3bet pf and villain shoves, I lose less, but I think at NL50 many people don’t 4bet QQ, in which case I think I lose at least as much if I 3bet pf. If I wasn’t such a station, I can lose a lot less, and one problem with cc-ing here is that my hand is under-repped so it is hard for me to fold. As played, if I raise the flop "to see where I stand" and fold to a 3bet, I lose as much as I did by calling all 3 streets, but I don’t get a showdown. I was probably folding to a real river bet, but getting 5:1 I couldn’t fold.
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UTG: $46.85
Hero (CO): $46.40
BTN: $22.55
SB: $13.05
BB: $53.00
Pre Flop: Hero is CO with T
T
UTG raises to $2, Hero calls $2,
3 folds
Flop: ($4.75) 5
8
J
(2 players)
UTG bets $3.25, Hero calls $3.25
Turn: ($11.25) 5
(2 players)
UTG bets $7, Hero calls $7
River: ($25.25) 2
(2 players)
UTG bets $6, Hero calls $6