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04-18-2008 , 11:34 PM

Casher23

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Villain runs at 16/10/2 over 200 hands. I stacked him with AA some hands ago. This is the 2nd time in 2 orbits he 3 bet me. So I decided to call thinking he might overplay me a bit.
What do you think villains holding is after turn bet and how would you proceed?

$2/$4 No Limit Holdem
5 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
UTG ($1451.69)
CO ($957.50)
BTN ($604.50)
SB ($420.60)
BB ($472.00)

Dealt to CO: 9

Pre-flop: ($6, 5 players)
1 fold, CO raises to $14, 2 folds, BB raises to $52, CO calls $34

Flop: T

($102, 2 players)
BB bets $49, CO calls $49

Turn: A

($200, 2 players)
BB bets $98

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04-18-2008 , 11:41 PM

RLOG

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call...

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04-18-2008 , 11:49 PM

rsxpunk

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how can you do anything besides call?

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04-19-2008 , 12:53 AM

schreech26

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Fold pf, call turn, fold non improving rivers

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04-19-2008 , 04:04 AM

RollinHand

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I fold pre btw, laugh at him in the chatbox because he runs way to good preflop.

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04-19-2008 , 04:59 AM

kekedarius

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a 16/10/2 probably isnt 3betting you too lightly and is probably just running hot, so fold pre

call flop call turn as played

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04-19-2008 , 05:05 AM

rebuyboy

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preflop is terrible

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04-19-2008 , 05:29 AM

Casher23

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hmm i know preflop isn´t very profitable against this kind of player, but i think once in a while it´s ok. his bet sizing seems quite strange to me, this kind of player usually bets more i think. nobody raises here to get to fold QQ, JJ? Ok I called.
How do you play river:

River: K

($396, 2 players)
BB checks

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04-19-2008 , 05:56 AM

LegallyBlind

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why on earth would we fold preflop

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04-19-2008 , 06:51 AM

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greek$spy

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Originally Posted by Casher23

($396, 2 players)
BB checks

It looks a lot like QQ/JJ but it can also be AK+ trying to get you comitted with a worse ace.
Anyway I personally get looked by QQ/JJ by these guys but my image sucks and they suck so I never raise

I hope you didn't try to bluff the river

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04-19-2008 , 08:08 AM

#11

jcl

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Originally Posted by LegallyBlind

why on earth would we fold preflop

sn/site/stakes?

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04-19-2008 , 08:38 AM

#12

1fineday

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Originally Posted by jcl

sn/site/stakes?

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PF fold is standard. Villain's range is polarized on the turn. I think he wouldn't turn a hand like QQ-JJ into a bluff on the turn card. So, his range has a TP+ types of hands and bluffs in it but he's more likely to have a hand than to be bluffing. I call here and ck behind on the river UI since you make him fold only bluffs that you actually beat.

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04-19-2008 , 08:42 AM

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$upermad4it

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Originally Posted by LegallyBlind

why on earth would we fold preflop

yeah srsly this is an instafold

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04-19-2008 , 03:37 PM

#14

LegallyBlind

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can somebody tell me why this is a pf instafold..he probably has a really strong hand and we got 120bb stacks

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04-19-2008 , 05:52 PM

#15

fingersmith

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Originally Posted by LegallyBlind

can somebody tell me why this is a pf instafold..he probably has a really strong hand and we got 120bb stacks

120 bb is not deep enough for us to have the required implied odds with the PSR in a 3bet pot

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04-19-2008 , 07:51 PM

#16

LegallyBlind

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against this opponent i'd probably pitch AQ here but probably not T9s..depends a lot on how i think he views me. but i think you guys saying insta fold are nuts

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04-19-2008 , 11:42 PM

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jcl

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we ALL say instant fold and ur the only one saying instant call...dont u think that maybe ur the one who's nuts?

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04-20-2008 , 02:12 AM

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jalexand42

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Originally Posted by jcl

we ALL say instant fold and ur the only one saying instant call...dont u think that maybe ur the one who's nuts?

lol 'we'

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04-20-2008 , 02:24 AM

#19

jcl

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lol indeed

wtf?

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04-20-2008 , 02:24 AM

#20

LegallyBlind

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i call this because first T9s rules. second, we think he has a big hand, and since we have position and stacks over 100bbs so we can really get PAID if we make something, and our hand is good at making stuff. and since we put him on a really strong range, we don't have to worry about making tough calldowns or getting stacked with a second best hand (with the exception of AKcc of course) and if we know he is a habitual pot underbetter it would be criminal not to call (not sure if op knew this or not).

now i could def be nuts, so if i am, plz explain what i am missing

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04-20-2008 , 02:26 AM

#21

jcl

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do u no how often u outflop an overpair?

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04-20-2008 , 02:46 AM

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jalexand42

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Originally Posted by jcl

do u no how often u outflop an overpair?

y do'nt u tel ALL o' us

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04-20-2008 , 02:48 AM

#23

jalexand42

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Originally Posted by LegallyBlind

stop posting this nonsense that sounds like it makes sense. fold you fish!

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04-20-2008 , 03:55 AM

#24

rand

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im not quite sure whats going on but i think that if you play 9T you have to be making moves and that means you have to have FE, but since this guy almost always has the nuts hes not letting go

therefore, fold pre
idk anything about him but some gays do this half pot thing and then full pot if they are still all hot and bothered about their hand but will keep up the half pot as a weak value blocking type of bet

aka the diff btw AK here and KK
if he is the former i would shove, the later i would call...but i would fold pre a whole lot of the time

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04-20-2008 , 04:51 AM

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Mr. Misanthropist

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meh preflop i would fold as the guy is 16/10. 16/10 isn't going to be the type to 3bet light to make me want to call. I only like to call with these types of hands when the villain is overaggro OOP so I can semi-bluff lots of flops profitably (anything greater than or including a gutshot).

Turn is a call most likely without a better read. Certainly with a read on what villain bets weakly with here I can justify a shove, but until then you have odds to call with a pretty big draw so I'd just draw at it.

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